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Old 4 Aug 2020, 09:21 (Ref:3992847)   #16
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Here's hoping Jake has a fit and healthy engine. The lad and the FK2 have always looked good at Brands.

Cookie I can see running well, ditto the Dynamics duo.

I reckon the BMWs will be solid rather than spectacular. And I can see Ash Sutton pushing too hard as I don't think the car and track will be as well suited as Donny - but what do I know?
Ash hinted recently that he is going to be 'robust' in his approach this season. He recognised that it might not endear him to the rest of the grid, but he will be adopting a glory or bust approach. I think we saw traces of that last weekend, and there will be more to come.
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Old 4 Aug 2020, 09:49 (Ref:3992854)   #17
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Ash hinted recently that he is going to be 'robust' in his approach this season. He recognised that it might not endear him to the rest of the grid, but he will be adopting a glory or bust approach. I think we saw traces of that last weekend, and there will be more to come.
I've always thought of him as robust and elbows out.
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Old 4 Aug 2020, 09:51 (Ref:3992855)   #18
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I've always thought of him as robust and elbows out.
Yes, me too, but he generally (in my opinion) seems to keep just the right side of the line of what is acceptable.
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Old 4 Aug 2020, 10:14 (Ref:3992858)   #19
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Yeah, Iíve always seen him as a hard charger, which makes him exciting to watch, especially in cars that arenít up to it, like the Scooby at times. At the same time, he very rarely steps over the mark. A modern tin top legend
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Old 4 Aug 2020, 10:21 (Ref:3992861)   #20
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Ash hinted recently that he is going to be 'robust' in his approach this season. He recognised that it might not endear him to the rest of the grid, but he will be adopting a glory or bust approach. I think we saw traces of that last weekend, and there will be more to come.
The car certainly appeared to be on the ragged edge, rather than just outright quick. I wonder how many of the others were going for what they could comfortably achieve and have a car for this weekend. Sutton was fortunate that his race 1 spin didn't result in more damage for himself and or others as they were fairly tightly packed at that point.
Other drivers may also choose to be more robust at certain points throughout the rest of the season.
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Old 4 Aug 2020, 10:28 (Ref:3992862)   #21
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I've always thought of him as robust and elbows out.
He admitted that - and said he would be even more so this season.

An interesting tactic given the amount of drivers who have commented that they need to preserve their machinery with the condensed season.

Or is it just mind games to make other drivers wary of him when they see him in their mirrors.
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The car certainly appeared to be on the ragged edge, rather than just outright quick. I wonder how many of the others were going for what they could comfortably achieve and have a car for this weekend. Sutton was fortunate that his race 1 spin didn't result in more damage for himself and or others as they were fairly tightly packed at that point.
Other drivers may also choose to be more robust at certain points throughout the rest of the season.
Ragged edge or set up to move around?
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Old 4 Aug 2020, 11:50 (Ref:3992877)   #23
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Ragged edge or set up to move around?
Set up to have characteristics as close as possible to a title-winning RWD from 2017....
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Sutton did seem to be pushing almost unnecessarily hard at times - it seems similar to Plato's old style of always push to the maximum, even if it means crashing going for 1st instead of settling for 2nd. It makes for exciting racing for sure, but I wonder how many times he'll come a cropper before having a re-think? Although aggression and risk-taking is a big part of what makes the BTCC so great to watch, the fact is that consistency, prudence and caution is usually the more successful strategy.


I suspect there's also an element of him wanting to silence people who said it was just the Subaru that made him so fast.
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Sutton did seem to be pushing almost unnecessarily hard at times - it seems similar to Plato's old style of always push to the maximum, even if it means crashing going for 1st instead of settling for 2nd. It makes for exciting racing for sure, but I wonder how many times he'll come a cropper before having a re-think? Although aggression and risk-taking is a big part of what makes the BTCC so great to watch, the fact is that consistency, prudence and caution is usually the more successful strategy.


I suspect there's also an element of him wanting to silence people who said it was just the Subaru that made him so fast.
We could see on Saturday in practice and qualifying that the car was quick, but Sutton was absolutely monstering it and at times overdriving - he went off through the gravel at Redgate 3 times.

In the races the difference in attitude and approach between him and most other drivers was pretty much night and day.

It'll be a fun season if he keeps on like that!
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I suspect there's also an element of him wanting to silence people who said it was just the Subaru that made him so fast.
That's the second time I've seen that posted in this thread recently. Odd thing is I don't remember ever seeing it mentioned before? He's always been quick in whatever he's driven (he went off and did some TCR rounds and monstered those for example).
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Sutton and Turkington are great examples of totally different approaches. Ash is always giving 110% even if he is comfortably in the top 3 that could earn him good points but he'll always give everything to try and grab the win - even if it means crashing out.
Colin is more cautious, when he's second he'll try to catch the first but not at all costs and when he sees the chances are not great he settles for big points day.
I like Sutton's style, he's exciting to watch but I hope if he's got real chances for the title, he'll be thinking of banking points too.
Brands could be a test for Infiniti. I hope it's not another inconsistent car just like Subaru that needs 150% approach to do reasonable results.
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We could see on Saturday in practice and qualifying that the car was quick, but Sutton was absolutely monstering it and at times overdriving - he went off through the gravel at Redgate 3 times.

In the races the difference in attitude and approach between him and most other drivers was pretty much night and day.

It'll be a fun season if he keeps on like that!
He had at least two times disallowed for exceeding track limits in qualifying, after his overtake he clipped Turkington as he moved over off line, to block Turkington, I think he knew the car wasn't as fast as he was making out. He repeated the same move later too. In grams car certainly looked loose, pretty much how Mat Jackson drove the Focus when he was at Motorbase, that Infiniti didn't look loose at all.
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Thereís no doubting his overtaking prowess, did you see the moves he made at Donny? He at one point did a brilliant three abreast overtake
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I think he knew the car wasn't as fast as he was making out.
Fastest lap in all 3 races.
Fastest speed through the I1 trap (mid-Craner) in all 3 races.
Fastest speed through both other traps of Swindon-powered cars in races 2&3.
Fastest Swindon car on the main straight in Qualifying.

How much faster did he make it out to be?
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