Home Mobile Forum News Cookbook FaceBook Us T-Shirts etc.: Europe/Worldwide. eBay Motorsport Links Advertising  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Baltic Touring Car Championship Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Saloon & Sportscar Racing > WTCC & European Touring Car Series


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 4 Aug 2020, 15:10 (Ref:3992924)   #31
billy bleach
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Ireland
Vilnius
Posts: 1,136
billy bleach has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
Quote:
Originally Posted by RS67 View Post
I thought all rwd cars recieved the same adjustments for the 2and half of last season.
I am intrigued to know what are the elements of the scooby chassis that they have managed to engineer into the Infiniti.
The Driver....
billy bleach is offline  
Quote
Old 4 Aug 2020, 16:17 (Ref:3992949)   #32
Craner Curves
Veteran
 
Craner Curves's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
United Kingdom
Kelso
Posts: 3,969
Craner Curves should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridCraner Curves should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Outstanding talent. I do like to see a car being driven like that. Muller-esque!
Craner Curves is offline  
Quote
Old 4 Aug 2020, 18:32 (Ref:3992975)   #33
sceptic
Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,285
sceptic should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfisti View Post
Here's hoping Jake has a fit and healthy engine. The lad and the FK2 have always looked good at Brands.

Cookie I can see running well, ditto the Dynamics duo.

I reckon the BMWs will be solid rather than spectacular. And I can see Ash Sutton pushing too hard as I don't think the car and track will be as well suited as Donny - but what do I know?
Cook will be carrying ballast though. Chilton should be faster.
sceptic is offline  
Quote
Old 4 Aug 2020, 18:49 (Ref:3992977)   #34
swooshiain
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Scotland
Posts: 93
swooshiain should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by BertMk2 View Post
That's the second time I've seen that posted in this thread recently. Odd thing is I don't remember ever seeing it mentioned before? He's always been quick in whatever he's driven (he went off and did some TCR rounds and monstered those for example).

Oh, I absolutely agree - but I have definitely seen (on more than one forum) people who have tried to minimise Sutton's talent, suggesting the car was a big part of his success, conveniently forgetting how fast he was in all the other cars he's driven. Sadly, some of the more partisan fans out there enjoy throwing spurious criticism at other drivers. Some of the nonsense you see is more like what you would expect to see on a football forum, sometimes.
swooshiain is offline  
Quote
Old 4 Aug 2020, 20:25 (Ref:3992996)   #35
RS67
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 835
RS67 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
Fastest lap in all 3 races.
Fastest speed through the I1 trap (mid-Craner) in all 3 races.
Fastest speed through both other traps of Swindon-powered cars in races 2&3.
Fastest Swindon car on the main straight in Qualifying.

How much faster did he make it out to be?
Fastest lap in Race 1 was as a result of finding himself at the back of the field with no cars to hinder him, not really much of a surprise. The other two could easily be a result of exceeding track limits by cutting corners or over shooting track limits exiting a bend.
Many years ago John George surprised everyone when he miraculously had fastest lap at Snetterton, until they realised he had completely missed the chicane coming out of Coram.
Being fastest through Craner doesn't mean he is quickest coming out of a bend. That is what came back and bit him on the arse after overtaking Turkington. He was fast going into the bend, but slower coming out, he caused the cars behind him to bunch, causing Ingram to run into Turkington, pushing him onto Sutton and he spun out. At some point the laws of physics take over.

Last edited by RS67; 4 Aug 2020 at 20:34.
RS67 is offline  
Quote
Old 4 Aug 2020, 20:35 (Ref:3992997)   #36
RS67
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 835
RS67 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by swooshiain View Post
Oh, I absolutely agree - but I have definitely seen (on more than one forum) people who have tried to minimise Sutton's talent, suggesting the car was a big part of his success, conveniently forgetting how fast he was in all the other cars he's driven. Sadly, some of the more partisan fans out there enjoy throwing spurious criticism at other drivers. Some of the nonsense you see is more like what you would expect to see on a football forum, sometimes.
Bit of a non entity in the MG.
RS67 is offline  
Quote
Old 4 Aug 2020, 20:37 (Ref:3992999)   #37
RS67
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 835
RS67 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Craner Curves View Post
Outstanding talent. I do like to see a car being driven like that. Muller-esque!
Assuming we are talking Ivan and not Dirk, now there is a man with talent, especially in the wet or on ice.
RS67 is offline  
Quote
Old 4 Aug 2020, 21:07 (Ref:3993004)   #38
porsche962fan
Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 3,309
porsche962fan should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by RS67 View Post
Assuming we are talking Ivan and not Dirk, now there is a man with talent, especially in the wet or on ice.
what about Jorg ?
porsche962fan is offline  
Quote
Old 4 Aug 2020, 21:13 (Ref:3993007)   #39
S griffin
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 11,521
S griffin has a real shot at the championship!S griffin has a real shot at the championship!S griffin has a real shot at the championship!S griffin has a real shot at the championship!S griffin has a real shot at the championship!S griffin has a real shot at the championship!
Quote:
Originally Posted by RS67 View Post
Bit of a non entity in the MG.

He still won a race in a car that was getting a bit long in the tooth if the past few seasons are anything to go by. He was often qualifying at the front too
S griffin is online now  
__________________
He who dares wins!
He who hesitates is lost!
Quote
Old 4 Aug 2020, 21:41 (Ref:3993017)   #40
RS67
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 835
RS67 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by S griffin View Post
He still won a race in a car that was getting a bit long in the tooth if the past few seasons are anything to go by. He was often qualifying at the front too
A first as a result of a reverse grid. Just one solitary 3rd place all season.

There were other drivers out there in cars also getting long in the tooth and they finished far higher, one of them finished 3rd in the championship with 5 wins that year. Sutton was 13th.
RS67 is offline  
Quote
Old 5 Aug 2020, 00:06 (Ref:3993035)   #41
S griffin
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 11,521
S griffin has a real shot at the championship!S griffin has a real shot at the championship!S griffin has a real shot at the championship!S griffin has a real shot at the championship!S griffin has a real shot at the championship!S griffin has a real shot at the championship!
Quote:
Originally Posted by RS67 View Post
A first as a result of a reverse grid. Just one solitary 3rd place all season.

There were other drivers out there in cars also getting long in the tooth and they finished far higher, one of them finished 3rd in the championship with 5 wins that year. Sutton was 13th.

Just because it was a reverse grid doesnít mean it was handed to him. In fact, he passed plenty of cars on his way to win, so your argument is invalid. And what about his front row in Donny in wet conditions? Did you forget that?

Letís not forget it was his first season too and with a car hadnít much development since 2014 compared to say the Focus. So there were bound to be a few weekends when he looked less than stellar. Now look at him now, heís now on it every weekend. Give him credit where itís due, heís one of the top touring car drivers and an exciting one to boot
S griffin is online now  
__________________
He who dares wins!
He who hesitates is lost!
Quote
Old 5 Aug 2020, 01:28 (Ref:3993044)   #42
MagicBoy
Racer
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
United Kingdom
Posts: 211
MagicBoy should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Craner Curves View Post
I've always thought of him as robust and elbows out.
LOL, you've yet to encounter him on iRacing then!
MagicBoy is offline  
Quote
Old 5 Aug 2020, 08:19 (Ref:3993061)   #43
Evantra
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
England
Posts: 1,598
Evantra should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridEvantra should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by RS67 View Post
A first as a result of a reverse grid. Just one solitary 3rd place all season.

There were other drivers out there in cars also getting long in the tooth and they finished far higher, one of them finished 3rd in the championship with 5 wins that year. Sutton was 13th.
It was also his first year in a touring car.
Evantra is offline  
Quote
Old 5 Aug 2020, 10:04 (Ref:3993075)   #44
RS67
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 835
RS67 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by S griffin View Post
Just because it was a reverse grid doesnít mean it was handed to him. In fact, he passed plenty of cars on his way to win, so your argument is invalid. And what about his front row in Donny in wet conditions? Did you forget that?

Letís not forget it was his first season too and with a car hadnít much development since 2014 compared to say the Focus. So there were bound to be a few weekends when he looked less than stellar. Now look at him now, heís now on it every weekend. Give him credit where itís due, heís one of the top touring car drivers and an exciting one to boot
The car performance must have fell off a cliff compared to what Jordan did the previous season then.

He had qualified near the front several times yet only got 2 podiums out of the whole season so yes he did have a lacklustre season, first or not. So perfectly worth pointing out.
RS67 is offline  
Quote
Old 5 Aug 2020, 10:04 (Ref:3993076)   #45
crmalcolm
Veteran
 
crmalcolm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Ireland
Posts: 6,468
crmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by RS67 View Post
Being fastest through Craner doesn't mean he is quickest coming out of a bend. That is what came back and bit him on the arse after overtaking Turkington. He was fast going into the bend, but slower coming out, he caused the cars behind him to bunch, causing Ingram to run into Turkington, pushing him onto Sutton and he spun out. At some point the laws of physics take over.
You were clearly watching a different race one to me.

He had completed his overtake of Turkington, and was alongside Cammish going into the next corner. Having rubbed paint with Cammish, he was mid-corner when the first contact came from behind unsettling the car. It was Cammish's pace coming out of the corner that caused the bunching. If you are on the bumper of the car ahead (which you can see from the second screengrab), then your momentum is dictated by the car in front.

What is the argument you are trying to put forward:
Sutton is not a great driver?
The Q50 is not a good car?

Attached Thumbnails
Capture1.JPG   Capture2.JPG  
crmalcolm is offline  
__________________
Sheen:Jealousy is the tribute mediocrity pays to genius.
Quote
Reply

Bookmarks




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2007 Fantasy League - Rd4 Portland Results Coming Soon woodbine Fantasy League/Predictions Contest 1 13 Jun 2007 15:20
2006 Fantasy League - Rd4 Millwaukee Results woodbine Fantasy League/Predictions Contest 7 20 Jun 2006 11:50
Rd4 Milwaukee Predictions luke Fantasy League/Predictions Contest 16 13 Jun 2006 11:09
10-10th's 2004 Fantasy Challenge LMES RD4 PREDICTIONS (+ results) 19dodge Predictions Competitions 14 5 Oct 2004 16:40


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT. The time now is 11:39.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2018 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.