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Old 22 Aug 2020, 18:52 (Ref:3997110)   #31
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The logic of "if we do X then the teams will have to do A and B and the result will be Z" is exactly the logic that was used to justify all the rules that are now being blamed for the races being dull.
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Old 22 Aug 2020, 21:07 (Ref:3997124)   #32
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It was the only way refuelling could be justified in my book, if you make it so itís not necessarily essential and that pitting for fuel can leave you exposed. Thatís the idea by putting the refuelling flow rate up if it does come back. But only if we get rid of the two compound per race rule
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Old 22 Aug 2020, 22:46 (Ref:3997143)   #33
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The logic of "if we do X then the teams will have to do A and B and the result will be Z" is exactly the logic that was used to justify all the rules that are now being blamed for the races being dull.
Shame they didnít listen to the fans. They said do C,D,E,F and G. This would have resulted in Y. Itís a bit like Z, but worse.
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Old 23 Aug 2020, 10:31 (Ref:3997187)   #34
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When you put the fast guys at the front of the grid you won't have very interesting races.

If however the faster car driver combinations are at the back of the field then you should have a lot more on track action.
I wonder how the original idea of the starting grid came about as in the fastest drivers at the front. Could it have come from the need to avoid overtakes on narrow public roads that motor racing started on?
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Old 23 Aug 2020, 11:24 (Ref:3997193)   #35
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I think modern F1 has sadly disappeared up its own bloated backside for far too long

Utterly petulant and cossetted drivers that have little or no personality, and we are supposed to think Kimi has one because he is rude and uncommunicative despite being there for 15 years, sorry that is not a personality and if you think it is you a re either wrong or too young to remember real personality.

Cars that look ridiculous, wages and staff levels that are borderline offensive in the modern world and rules and laws that make a lot of faunas just wince with endless *****ing and moaning about track limits, moving one way, leaving a pit early, etc etc, I know safety is paramount but you can out safety a sport and that is what has happened.

Couple that with a pathetic, greedy tv strategy that in the UK puts a huge majority of fans behind a paywall for a sport loaded with multi billion sponsors and manufacturers and it is no shock fans look elsewhere.

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I think modern F1 has sadly disappeared up its own bloated backside for far too long



Utterly petulant and cossetted drivers that have little or no personality, and we are supposed to think Kimi has one because he is rude and uncommunicative despite being there for 15 years, sorry that is not a personality and if you think it is you a re either wrong or too young to remember real personality.



Cars that look ridiculous, wages and staff levels that are borderline offensive in the modern world and rules and laws that make a lot of faunas just wince with endless *****ing and moaning about track limits, moving one way, leaving a pit early, etc etc, I know safety is paramount but you can out safety a sport and that is what has happened.



Couple that with a pathetic, greedy tv strategy that in the UK puts a huge majority of fans behind a paywall for a sport loaded with multi billion sponsors and manufacturers and it is no shock fans look elsewhere.



I started drifting away 15 years ago and have never really looked back.



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Old 23 Aug 2020, 14:13 (Ref:3997253)   #37
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Another example of how the "change X so the teams have to do Y and the racing improves" logic doesn't work out:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/15...cedes-in-races

Suggestion from Toto that not having to run "party mode" in qualifying preserves engine life, allowing greater race performance. Thus, Merc's advantage may well be increased, not decreased.
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Old 24 Aug 2020, 10:11 (Ref:3997567)   #38
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Didnít really think that one through, just shows quick fix solutions donít really work
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Horner's comments in that article are revealing. Refueling is one of several things suggested as a way to mix up strategies. But what happens is that everyone runs the alternatives through the simulator and one optimum strategy emerges.
but surely this suggests that more tweaks made more frequently are needed since the more time the teams are given with a specific rule set the better able they will be to optimize their outcomes?

dominance is an interesting concept in F1 given that most recent periods of dominance were preceded rules tweaks/changes. Merc's current success is tied to an engine formula that they had a head start in developing.

i suppose i would argue with the assertion that they just built a better car is incomplete as not encompassing the complex relationship that money and politics have in F1....but overall, i agree with you that Merc should be credited for this period of dominance. it should still be celebrated.

so i suppose the question needs to be, just how long should Merc be able to hold this advantage and enjoy their dominance before the rules are changed again?

F1/motorsports is different to other sports in that the unique and bespoke nature of the cars is a big part of the appeal imo. if rules dont change then the cars will never change either.

im not saying refueling (although i do think it would be fun ) is the answer but rather just making the case for a continuing evolution of the rules.

honestly, my ideal solutions are more aimed at limiting the budgets and seeing what the most creative teams can do within that space so i am looking forward to F1's phase.

also ready to complain about the unintended consequences which will inevitably show up.
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Old 24 Aug 2020, 19:14 (Ref:3997706)   #40
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It would be fun to keep moving the goalposts technically, although cost might be a factor against it
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I’m so for that. Change the tech regs every year or two. Announce it around September each year.
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Iím so for that. Change the tech regs every year or two. Announce it around September each year.
Does not seem to work too well in practice though:


Change RBR domination
Change Brawn domination
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It would be fun to keep moving the goalposts technically, although cost might be a factor against it
The good thing about constantly moving the goal posts is that it prevents someone spending billions on polishing a solution.
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The good thing about constantly moving the goal posts is that it prevents someone spending billions on polishing a solution.
So they have to spend billions constantly redesigning, retooling and rebuilding instead?
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Which is why they have understandably delayed the new rules to 2022
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