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Old 16 Oct 2020, 23:25 (Ref:4011079)   #286
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Well, obviously, the whole exercise is to get their name around and be seen in a positive light.

But that just seems like easy point scoring as surely it is obvious that SG was referring to specifically the Hamilton bit. It was clearly a reference to whether the overall goal is fulfilled better by prioritizing talent or image in the driver.
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I’m sure it does, the marketing lot will grab hold of it, but after they’ve got someone who’s giving them the best chance of winning the GP. If they happen to align with certain values then they’ll grab hold of that. Of course.
Exactly so why would MB want a second driver upsetting the apple cart they have created by beating Hamilton on a regular basis. I think they learned their lesson when Rosberg won the WDC and then compounded it by kicking dirt in their face by leaving giving them no opportunity to build on his being WDC.

Hamilton either worked out what creating a brand means or someone pointed it out to him and he has been doing that ever since and MB have gone along for the ride.
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I think everyone ascribes far more credit or envisions some much greater master plan than is actually happening.

These things are far more likely to have just happened and people have gone along for the ride taking advantage when they can.
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it would have been really helpful to this debate if Rosberg didnt retire.

But if Nico stayed after winning, im not entirely sure Merc would have favoured LH outright in 2017. They would have probably been destroyed by the press and fan base had they done so.

Would it be fair to say LH caught a massive break with Nico's retirement?

*Should have put that in the goat thread.
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I think everyone ascribes far more credit or envisions some much greater master plan than is actually happening.

These things are far more likely to have just happened and people have gone along for the ride taking advantage when they can.
I totally agree and when they saw what was happening it was actively pursued by both parties.
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it would have been really helpful to this debate if Rosberg didnt retire.

But if Nico stayed after winning, im not entirely sure Merc would have favoured LH outright in 2017. They would have probably been destroyed by the press and fan base had they done so.

Would it be fair to say LH caught a massive break with Nico's retirement?

*Should have put that in the goat thread.
Yes any further discussion should be there.
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Would it be fair to say LH caught a massive break with Nico's retirement?
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Yes, Rosberg was better than Bottas is.
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I don't think I missed a point.

If the second Red Bull driver is a threat by putting him on a different strategy to Hamilton/Verstappen, Mercedes will react by countering that with Bottas.
It's not as simple as that. The mere existence of a 2nd car within the pitwindow of the competitors car, strongly limits strategic options. Undercutting behind a competitors cars is very risky.


Also pincher moves from a competitors 2nd car can be counteracted with your own 2nd car if it's within the pitwindow.


With just one car inside of your competitors pit window, you're always at a disadvantage.
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It's not as simple as that. The mere existence of a 2nd car within the pitwindow of the competitors car, strongly limits strategic options. Undercutting behind a competitors cars is very risky.


Also pincher moves from a competitors 2nd car can be counteracted with your own 2nd car if it's within the pitwindow.


With just one car inside of your competitors pit window, you're always at a disadvantage.
I know, but people seem to think having a stronger 2nd driver will give Verstappen more points.
That is not necessarily true.

If Red Bull #2 (whoever that is) is in a good postition and put on an alternative strategy that is a danger to a Mercedses win, Mercedes will use one of its own driver to cover/counter that and keep the other one on Verstappen's strategy.

That alone may give Verstappen more points because Bottas (let's asume it's him) is now out of his way.
But just how many times Verstappen finished 2nd anaway, so how many more points would give him that?

It may also cost Verstappen points. If the alternative strategy works, Red Bull #2 and Mercedes #2 may end up in front of Verstappen too.


A competitive Red Bull #2 will give Red Bull more points, but not necessarey give the advantage to Verstappen that some think it will.
That too is not simple as that
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They might need a good back up should Max be in title contention. Which is probably why they are looking at Hulk
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