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Old 20 Sep 2020, 17:54 (Ref:4005122)   #16
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In the unofficial RWD/FWD class-based comparison - the top two are separated by just 2 points, with the top five separated by just 26 points.

DriverPointsClass 
Sutton210RWD 
Ingram208FWD 
Butcher201FWD 
Cammish196FWD 
Turkington184RWD 
Chilton170FWD 
Oliphant149RWD 
Morgan134FWD 
Neal127FWD 
Proctor122FWD 
Hill115FWD 
Smiley114FWD 
Jackson99FWD 
Cook96FWD 
Crees80FWD 
Thompson62FWD 
Osborne48FWD 
Gornall46FWD 
Goff45FWD 
Neate32FWD 
Moffat28RWD 
Butel26FWD 
Austin20FWD 
Jelley18RWD 
Brown13FWD 
Hamilton12FWD 
Bushell10FWD 
Boardley1RWD 
Onslow-Cole1FWD 
   
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Old 21 Sep 2020, 08:24 (Ref:4005279)   #17
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Amended results following DQ:

DriverPointsClass 
Sutton210RWD 
Ingram208FWD 
Butcher201FWD 
Cammish196FWD 
Turkington184RWD 
Chilton170FWD 
Oliphant149RWD 
Morgan134FWD 
Neal127FWD 
Proctor122FWD 
Hill115FWD 
Smiley114FWD 
Jackson99FWD 
Cook96FWD 
Crees80FWD 
Thompson62FWD 
Osborne48FWD 
Gornall46FWD 
Goff45FWD 
Neate30FWD 
Moffat28RWD 
Butel27FWD 
Austin20FWD 
Jelley18RWD 
Brown13FWD 
Hamilton12FWD 
Bushell10FWD 
Boardley1RWD 
Onslow-Cole2FWD 
   
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Standings after Silverstone:

DriverPointsClass 
Cammish256FWD 
Sutton235RWD 
Turkington226RWD 
Ingram225FWD 
Butcher221FWD 
Chilton194FWD 
Morgan179FWD 
Oliphant176RWD 
Neal162FWD 
Proctor151FWD 
Hill143FWD 
Jackson137FWD 
Smiley130FWD 
Cook129FWD 
Crees80FWD 
Thompson79FWD 
Osborne61FWD 
Goff50FWD 
Gornall49FWD 
Moffat45RWD 
Butel34FWD 
Neate30FWD 
Jelley25RWD 
Austin20FWD 
Brown13FWD 
Hamilton13FWD 
Bushell10FWD 
Onslow-Cole8FWD 
Boardley1RWD 
   
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DriverPointsClass 
Cammish293FWD 
Sutton267RWD 
Ingram264FWD 
Turkington249RWD 
Butcher245FWD 
Chilton232FWD 
Oliphant214RWD 
Neal203FWD 
Morgan200FWD 
Hill186FWD 
Cook181FWD 
Proctor171FWD 
Jackson149FWD 
Smiley145FWD 
Thompson98FWD 
Crees80FWD 
Osborne71FWD 
Goff57FWD 
Moffat57RWD 
Gornall49FWD 
Neate38FWD 
Jelley38RWD 
Butel36FWD 
Austin20FWD 
Bushell19FWD 
Brown13FWD 
Hamilton13FWD 
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Boardley1RWD 
   
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Old 12 Oct 2020, 07:05 (Ref:4010066)   #20
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I don't really see the point in trying to separate them out within a series that already has compensating measures. If those measures weren't there then the table would be totally different.
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I don't really see the point in trying to separate them out within a series that already has compensating measures. If those measures weren't there then the table would be totally different.
You are right that the table may be different if RWD/FWD measures were not in place. That is not the point of this comparison though.

The tables here are intended to demonstrate whether - if you separate RWD and FWD for championship scoring purposes, does the table change drastically?
If it does, it might suggest that the use of a certain drive-train does give a distinct advantage, whereas if there is little difference, then it is harder to argue that one type has an unfair advantage.

When the table was started, Turkington appeared at the top in either way of calculating, which seems to indicate that he was the class of the field regardless of car he was in.

Currently, this table has a slight difference to the official results, but not drastically so. The top three RWD drivers all lose one place in this method of scoring, with the main difference being that Chilton replaces Oliphant as the driver in 6th with a realistic chance of catching the leaders, and Butcher is in greater contention.

Do I genuinely think this system should be adopted? - no.
Does it show that RWD has an advantage over FWD? - possibly.

But the level of similarity between this table and the official results show, IMO, that the championship contenders are competing on a reasonably level playing field and the RWD/FWD debate is overplayed.
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Old 12 Oct 2020, 09:57 (Ref:4010099)   #23
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I don't see the point of comparison either. This whole FWD/RWD debate was started by people who felt it was unfair certain drivers in RWD winning or certain drivers in FWD not winning

The great thing about the BTCC is that it has a great variety of cars that can all compete equally if everything is right. I really think the way the cars are built and set up have more to do with a drivetrain. I'm sure some cars have struggled with RWD.

Let's face it Turkington was top because he did a great job, although we'll have to see what the likes of Cammish and Tingram can do now they are caught up.

I prefer to just enjoy the series rather than worry what drivetrain people are using. After all does it really matter? I can understand slight tweaks in the regs to balance out, but now all the time and it must be done with good reason. After all we're setting up for a nice title fight between two RWD and two FWD cars atm. Some drivers like Chilton and Oliphant have shown they can mix it with the big boys when all is going well. It's all stewing up nicely, let's see what the likes of Butcher and Cammish and Tingram and Sutton can do at Snetterton, another circuit that can produce close racing.

I'm just glad we won't be adopting any class system between front and rear wheel drive. Going back to a class system would not work in the current BTCC with things being close. As I said some cars will be better than others and if it's RWD, that's more coincidence IMHO. It's fairly well balanced between the two drivetrains give a take an odd performance advantage in each one. I am looking forward to seeing a 4 way, possibly 5 way title fight come Brands. That's more important than this FWD/RWD nonsense
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