[BTCC] BTCC 2021

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by EastonNeston

A car that is professionally prepared, with a proper system for recording & inspecting, the use of parts and replacing life expired parts at the correct intervals is inherently safer.

Most people understand that!

Yes. I understand that.
Are you claiming that HARD. are not preparing the car safely though? Surely that would be a matter for the scrutineers rather than making the accusation here?

[EastonNeston]

I have not made any accusations, just made a factual statement.

I suggest you read exactly what I wrote, not what you think I did, it's not difficult!

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by EastonNeston

I have not made any accusations, just made a factual statement.

I suggest you read exactly what I wrote, not what you think I did, it's not difficult!

You wrote that if Broadly [sic] wants a more safely prepared car, he should move away from Hard. This implies that Hard do not prepare their cars in as safe a manner as other teams on the grid.

Just for clarity - are you saying that the following is factually correct: 'A car prepared by HARD. is not as safe as others on the grid?'

If that is the case, would it not be better to raise that concern officially rather than criticise the team on a public forum?

[porsche962fan]

do you really need to always make such a big fuss about some words someone says ?

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

do you really need to always make such a big fuss about some words someone says ?

Sincerely, everyone.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by auroan

Not sure where Boardly renting the 1 series story came from. The press release at the time said he'd purchased the car along with setup data direct from WSR.

Somewhere in the back of my head... clearly it's a loose slate, so thanks all for unfuddling my brain. So Carl has the car, Tony the TBL, so the only part of that little jigsaw remaining to be put in place is the budget I should think.

Heard that Rob Collard is hoping to continue in the GT next year, before Rob Collard in WSR return becomes a rumour...

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Heard that Rob Collard is hoping to continue in the GT next year, before Rob Collard in WSR return becomes a rumour...

Should hope so, won British GT and Spa 24hr class in his first year. Even got a pole position at Silverstone!!

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Somewhere in the back of my head... clearly it's a loose slate, so thanks all for unfuddling my brain. So Carl has the car, Tony the TBL, so the only part of that little jigsaw remaining to be put in place is the budget I should think. .

if Jelley really pulls it off to move at WSR , Golden boy could run by Parker and use their TBL

anyone noticed there is some kind of curse in winning a BTCC title 3rd time in a row? ? 2009 Giovanardi came close but failed, a few years later Shedden also lost the 3rd time and now Turkington

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

if Jelley really pulls it off to move at WSR , Golden boy could run by Parker and use their TBL

anyone noticed there is some kind of curse in winning a BTCC title 3rd time in a row? ? 2009 Giovanardi came close but failed, a few years later Shedden also lost the 3rd time and now Turkington

I wouldn't really see it as a curse - just something that is difficult to achieve.

Three drivers have managed it in the past - a few more have only taken two in a row. Many more have failed to defend their title.

[S griffin]

It's due to circumstances really and I think it won't be easy if more and more teams and drivers get up there, as we are likely to see a bit more drivers winning the title. Anyone who wins two in the row has done well, three in a row is very difficult, especially with so many good drivers up there

As you say it's been done in the past, but not in the recent past, although there have been a few who have come close, but just failed. As a matter of fact winning a title is hard enough, getting another one is hard and getting two in a row would be harder still, especially in this day and age.

Anyway we had a great title fight this season and it was fun to watch, just a shame Cammish, Tingram and Butcher didn't get quite have enough to take it all the way, we'll see what happens next season, which teams and drivers will be the form guide

[medius]

Whixh is more likely to happen with Ciceley?

-Buy two previously raced in '20 chassis.
-Buy two brand new unraced cars.
-Build new cars from an existing brand which raced in '20.
-Build new cars from a new to the grid brand.
-Build new cars from a returning brand.

They have experience of building brand new cars. They have a title sponsor signed up for multiple years. Lots of potential cars fit the hybrid NGTC-era dawning. You don't need a manufacturer to be able to put a new car on the grid so previous motorsport presence not necessary.

Anybodywilling to socially distance camp outside Willie Poole?

[Alfisti]

I don't know the Morgan's or anyone at the team well enough to have even the slightest inkling; my guess would be new build as, as you say, they've done it before and it turned out alright. Well far better than just alright.

What if they're ahead of the curve and Willie has already wafted the magic wand around... a spy up a hill top near Ciceley Towers might be where one is needed. Or the more brazen rock up, knock on the door and a furtive glance around all whilst dressed as a parcel courier...

[thlbtcc]

Ciceley car unveiling tomorrow, 8 am.

[antnee]

While it seems like an easy choice to go and buy a car from someone (Motorbase Focus, Dynamics Honda, etc) - you are limited in what can be done with it to extract more performance.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by antnee

While it seems like an easy choice to go and buy a car from someone (Motorbase Focus, Dynamics Honda, etc) - you are limited in what can be done with it to extract more performance.

Hearing about the issues that Laser Tools had with attempting to develop the A-Class, and BTC's experience with the FK8, I suspect Ciceley wouldn't want to be on the other side of that situation.

[Sodemo]

I hope its a Merc saloon, ergo RWD.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I hope its a Merc saloon, ergo RWD.

A C-class seems like the most probable option at the moment from a few sources.

A 3-way fight for the title between a 3-series, a Q50 and a C-class in 2021 would lead to a lovely season here discussing the FWD/RWD debate that some love to have......

[medius]

Thinking out loud, does the regs allow a Tesla Model 3 to be fitted with a TOCA engine? Anything saying electric cars can't be base cars?

[Matt K]

I'm not sure if regulations say anything about it at all but for me it seems like it wouldn't make much sense.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Matt K

I'm not sure if regulations say anything about it at all but for me it seems like it wouldn't make much sense.

In less than ten years time, it might be the only option available for new builds.

[S griffin]

I think some are very optimistic, the market for gas cars hasn’t died yet

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

In less than ten years time, it might be the only option available for new builds.

By then BTCC will need to really think about their electric future to be relevant.

[Alfisti]

I'll call it as an A Class. Then I can continue with my splendid record of getting it spectacularly wrong... probably!

[S griffin]

Wonder if there any new Mercs in the pipeline for the series? Something to replace the A Class. At the moment we are waiting to hear what the teams are doing next year, but I wonder how many teams will end up with different makes? Maybe different models too

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I think some are very optimistic, the market for gas cars hasn’t died yet

I wouldn't call it being optimistic, just recognising the situation.
To be eligible for homologation, the car needs to be on sale through the normal manufacturer's showroom network. If the sale of pure-ICE vehicles is prohibited, they won't be in the showroom and so not eligible.

It wouldn't look good for BTCC to amend the homologation criteria to allow outdated models to go through the process.