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Lewis Hamilton | 22 | 22.00% | |
Michael Schumacher | 11 | 11.00% | |
Juan Manuel Fangio | 6 | 6.00% | |
Alain Prost | 7 | 7.00% | |
Ayrton Senna | 22 | 22.00% | |
Jackie Stewart | 0 | 0% | |
Jim Clark | 17 | 17.00% | |
Alberto Ascari | 0 | 0% | |
Fernando Alonso | 1 | 1.00% | |
Niki Lauda | 3 | 3.00% | |
Stirling Moss | 2 | 2.00% | |
Sebastian Vettel | 0 | 0% | |
Nigel Mansell | 1 | 1.00% | |
Nelson Piquet | 0 | 0% | |
James Hunt | 0 | 0% | |
Mika Hakkinen | 0 | 0% | |
Giles Villeneuve | 2 | 2.00% | |
Max Verstappen | 0 | 0% | |
Nico Rosberg | 0 | 0% | |
Jack Brabham | 4 | 4.00% | |
Carlos Reutemann | 0 | 0% | |
Jochen Rindt | 0 | 0% | |
Ronnie Peterson | 1 | 1.00% | |
Kimi Raikkonen | 1 | 1.00% | |
Graham Hill | 0 | 0% | |
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22 Apr 2021, 11:00 (Ref:4047258) | #251 | |
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Johnny needed to be rested midway through his first season, that's how badly broken his legs were. He could have been champion, but for a certain Mr Foitek
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22 Apr 2021, 11:17 (Ref:4047264) | #252 | ||
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He could've won a WC anyway. I've read differing stories as to why he was replaced halfway through 89.
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22 Apr 2021, 13:03 (Ref:4047285) | #253 | ||
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Where are Brise, Brooks, Collins,Gurney, Hawthorne on the list plus half a dozen others?
All at least as highly qualified as50% of those named. |
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22 Apr 2021, 22:26 (Ref:4047403) | #254 | |||
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JV was a Formula One rookie by every definition of the word. Hill, not a rookie by any definition of the word, struggled to beat him. Those are the cold, hard facts. JV was pretty good, not great, his best seasons were 1996 and 2000, probably 2001 as well but he never kicked on to become a true great of the sport. His mistake was choosing BAR and then doubling down and staying with them when his stocks were at their highest. |
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The fact that he got to even race an F1 car after that was a miracle in itself, let alone finish 4th on his debut! Johnny never used his limited foot/ankle movement as excuses for not being in contention at Benetton in '95 but that was was probably as much of a reason for inconsistent form as getting rough treatment from Flavio. Benetton/Enstone centered everything around a no.1 driver in the Flav years. I don't think many of the no.2s accepted or realised what that really meant? Many other drivers would not have continued their careers if they had suffered such appalling injuries as Herbert did in '88, let alone in F1. He must have had some serious natural talent and determination to still get regular deals for 10 years. Damon Hill has gone on record as saying Johnny was better than him in their earlier careers and he also said Martin Donnelly was probably his hardest teammate to beat! Make of that what you will. |
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Yes, I agree. I think that both Herbert and Donnelly had great natural talent and if it hadn't been for their appalling accidents, might well have achieved a great deal. More natural talent than Hill, yes, I'd certainly say so, having watched all three many times in their formative years.
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23 Apr 2021, 10:36 (Ref:4047481) | #257 | |
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23 Apr 2021, 10:52 (Ref:4047489) | #258 | ||
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Ah, but the argument will be that Valteri finished ahead of George... tip of the iceberg stuff....
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However Suzuka '94 was arguably as strong a drive as Schu's in Catalunya earlier that year. Top drawer stuff. Without wishing to keep banging the Herbert drum, I am certain that a driver who won 3 GP's with hindered ankle or leg strength and was still better than 2/3 of the field at the time would have won a helluva lot more without said limitations. |
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23 Apr 2021, 12:08 (Ref:4047508) | #260 | |
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The ironic thing is that Herbert’s 3 wins came due to bad luck happening to others, rather than himself for a change
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26 Apr 2021, 12:41 (Ref:4047900) | #261 | ||
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I didn't know the reason for the substantial lack of pace relative to Hamilton? I don't know why he couldn't supposedly get heat into his tyres. Has anyone asked? (Surely they always objective Ted Kravitz has???). Bottas got taken out of the race as the leading MB. That's amazingly a fact. |
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26 Apr 2021, 13:09 (Ref:4047908) | #262 | ||
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While Indycars may not have been as fast or nuanced as F1 cars, they still are an immensely powerful car. Both series were 15+ 300km race in about 90mins. It's not like he was fresh out of Japanese F3, Indycars then were more like Formula 1.25. 1997 & 98 were great seasons from him as well. 98 gets overlooked, but he was better relative to the car he was driving than 97 imo. I'm not writing an essay about it now It was a spirited effort from Villeneuve to take the championship to the last race in 96, but I think it's a bit much to use it against Hill. |
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Nup. Bottas was the lead MB when he got taken out.
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2 May 2021, 09:28 (Ref:4049146) | #265 | ||
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Back on topic... The fella in the yellow crash hat...
A single minded focus.. simply the very best... 27 years gone |
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5 May 2021, 06:15 (Ref:4049756) | #267 | ||
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Good to see that Mark Blundell is getting some long overdue support...
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I see what you done did there.
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6 May 2021, 12:05 (Ref:4050023) | #270 | |
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What's the difference between Senna and Hamilton?
Why would one pick one over the other? |
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That has been covered quite extensively earlier in thread, but I think I can summarize too main reasons.
For some Senna will get the nod because of the passion. For others the sheer achievement of Hamilton will win out. That doesn’t mean they don’t have some of the attributes I’ve quickly assigned to the other. Hamilton is passionate about what he does and Senna collected some of those statistics too. They also both have lots of other positive attributes; super fast, quick in the wet, ... There are other reasons too. And reasons why one doesn’t do it for you. Maybe some are a massive Prost fan, or you don’t like tattoos. |
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I say all of that as someone who would have said Senna was the best until I have watched Hamilton’s career unfold. And I have arrived at this view despite initially feeling some antipathy towards a young Hamilton who thought the world was against him notwithstanding the fact he went straight into a top team. While I still feel like there is something about Hamilton that suggests he isn’t being authentic I have also grown to admire him for the way he has conducted himself around supporting and promoting diversity. And to explain my comment about feeling a lack of authenticity, it is probably because I find it hard to believe that in his heart he doesn’t think he is the reason that Mercedes keep winning - that his comments about his team are said because he knows it is the right thing to say rather than because he truly believes it. I acknowledge that probably says more about me and my cynicism than about Hamilton. |
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