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Old 16 Nov 2021, 08:17 (Ref:4083715)   #451
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Not a happy ship I think. Running someone else’s car coming home to roost.
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Old 16 Nov 2021, 08:23 (Ref:4083717)   #452
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Not a happy ship I think. Running someone else’s car coming home to roost.
Not running someone else's car. They did build it.
But the penalty for copying someone else's car cost them points in 2020, and meant they were caught in the aerodynamic rule change that negated much of the low rake advantage in 2021 and put them on the back foot.
They simply never had the resources, financial or technical, to to recover from that.
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Old 16 Nov 2021, 10:21 (Ref:4083734)   #453
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Not running someone else's car. They did build it.
But the penalty for copying someone else's car cost them points in 2020, and meant they were caught in the aerodynamic rule change that negated much of the low rake advantage in 2021 and put them on the back foot.
They simply never had the resources, financial or technical, to to recover from that.
Or the driving talent of the Team who designed it!
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Old 16 Nov 2021, 14:34 (Ref:4083783)   #454
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They simply never had the resources, financial or technical, to to recover from that.
I agree with the above, but it's potentially a deeper problem. Someone can give you a solution that works. And you can built it and be successful. But if you have to develop or adapt that solution. That requires understanding of "why" and "how" that solution works. Mercedes would clearly understand the solution much better than Aston Martin would. So Aston Martin would have always been behind on trying to evolve that car.

If nothing changed with respect to the regulations it may have been a smart move for AM as they could milk it until 2022 requires a totally new car. But with the change that impacted the low rake cars, they were screwed as they had a solution they didn't know how to adapt. Or would be slow to adapt.

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right! how much money and resources were they expected to throw at 2021 when significant rules changes are set for 2022? plus it seems like they spent their money on infrastructure rather then the car.

im not a necessarily a fan of the cheating narrative and more inclined to think they got screwed by a rule change and by the other mid field teams (fair play though as all is fair in love and war).

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Or the driving talent of the Team who designed it!
this for me. they have been let down by their drivers who can on occasion overachieve but typically dont.
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they were caught in the aerodynamic rule change that negated much of the low rake advantage in 2021 and put them on the back foot. They simply never had the resources, financial or technical, to to recover from that.
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Mercedes would clearly understand the solution much better than Aston Martin would. So Aston Martin would have always been behind on trying to evolve that car.
Is Eric Blandin the person who understands it?

'Aston Martin have signed Mercedes' chief aerodynamicist Eric Blandin.
The move is the latest in a series of high-profile recruitments by Aston Martin as they seek to restructure their team and move further up the grid.
The Frenchman will join at some point next year in a role yet to be confirmed publicly.'


With Dan Fallows taking up the role of technical director, and Blandin joining too - they look to be lining up a strong aero team.

One thing that interests me - Horner came across as a bit bitter when the departure of Fallows was announced, but I have seen noting yet from Wolff on Blandin's departure and AM say it is amicable.

'Red Bull said Fallows would not leave until the end of his contract and team boss Christian Horner said "it won't be within the next couple of years. It's a small paddock and rumours get around. We've known for some time and I'd rather staff read it in a communication from the team rather than in the media."'

'"The transition from Mercedes AMG F1 Team to ourselves will be an amicable one," said an Aston Martin spokesman.'
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