Home Mobile Forum News Cookbook FaceBook Us T-Shirts etc.: Europe/Worldwide. eBay Motorsport Links Advertising Live Chat  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Saloon & Sportscar Racing > National & Club Racing


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 14 May 2017, 17:20 (Ref:3733437)   #31
coppice
Racer
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Australia
Thirsk, North Yorkshire
Posts: 313
coppice should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridcoppice should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridcoppice should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Many thanks;my Code 36 was my lame Brexit joke BTW .

750MC at Croft this weekend - will it be Code 60 Pt 2 I wonder ?
coppice is offline  
Quote
Old 14 May 2017, 19:56 (Ref:3733470)   #32
Woolley
Race Official
Veteran
 
Woolley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
England
Wolverhampton, England
Posts: 12,208
Woolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by peebee2 View Post
The only people who will think code 60 is good are marshals and officials. Nobody who actually races will. It's even a step down from the battenburg.
That's because we like to be safe. And other methods are not achieving that. If as drivers you can clearly demonstrate that we are safe without it, then we'll all be in favour of that. And after all, if we don't feel safe, then it delays us getting to you if you need us... Your call.
Woolley is offline  
__________________
Bill Bryson: It is no longer permitted to be stupid and slow. You must choose one or the other.
Quote
Old 14 May 2017, 20:16 (Ref:3733476)   #33
Adam43
14th
20KPINAL
 
Adam43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
European Union
New Orleans
Posts: 32,321
Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!
I'm for it too.

I see in short races it can lose you a significant chunk of race time. As can any neutralising the race, such as safety car, or even stopping a race. Localised yellows were all that was used in the past. This has changed because safety is considered more highly now, those 1:100 chances of something going wrong now have to be 1:10000 or less.

Nothing is ideal in these situations. This is OK.
Adam43 is offline  
__________________
Why Don't You Just Switch Off Your Television Set and Go Out and Do Something Less Boring Instead?
Quote
Old 16 May 2017, 18:58 (Ref:3733903)   #34
Akrapovic
Veteran
 
Akrapovic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Scotland
Posts: 7,119
Akrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
If drivers properly obeyed yellow flags and "slowed down and prepared to stop" then there would be no need for a Code 60. However it's become acceptable for drivers to go full chat through yellow zones now, even setting PBs without punishment, because it's hard to judge what is too fast.

If people were responsible and took the safety of the marshals seriously, it would not be needed. A code 60 should also be quicker than a Safety Car because you can deploy and retract it quicker.
Akrapovic is offline  
Quote
Old 17 May 2017, 01:35 (Ref:3733965)   #35
Lancsbreaker
Veteran
 
Lancsbreaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
England
Padiham, Lancashire
Posts: 2,489
Lancsbreaker should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridLancsbreaker should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridLancsbreaker should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Just to add that our newly purchased GPS speedo cost about 30 from Amazon - its about the cheapest thing I've ever had to buy for racing......

Tested in road car and now wired up and ready for action in the race car - hope I'll only need it for pitlane speed limits....
Lancsbreaker is offline  
__________________
Richard Murtha: Back Racing with CSCC, and another first, I've finally done a rolling start!
Quote
Old 17 May 2017, 06:19 (Ref:3733985)   #36
275 GTB-4
Veteran
 
275 GTB-4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Australia
Sydney NSW, Australie
Posts: 3,163
275 GTB-4 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid275 GTB-4 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akrapovic View Post
If drivers properly obeyed yellow flags and "slowed down and prepared to stop" then there would be no need for a Code 60. However it's become acceptable for drivers to go full chat through yellow zones now, even setting PBs without punishment, because it's hard to judge what is too fast.

If people were responsible and took the safety of the marshals seriously, it would not be needed. A code 60 should also be quicker than a Safety Car because you can deploy and retract it quicker.
Actual Incident:

Car hit a flag point and carried away the "protective" tyre barrier.
Incident covered by local yellows on two sectors, most drivers circulating and behaving themselves.
Marshals on one side of track working to restore barrier.
Rocket Scientist decides to do a practice start about 15 feet from my legs.
Radio report to CoC
Driver called up to the tower to face the music.
Driver apologised after being threatened with exclusion from the meeting.
275 GTB-4 is offline  
__________________
The good old days sure seem like a long time ago!!
Quote
Old 27 Jan 2018, 20:16 (Ref:3795539)   #37
grumpy52
Rookie
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
England
deal kent,close to lydden
Posts: 7
grumpy52 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
From what I have read and understand employment of Code 60 in a normal club race for more than half the race time or laps is a ridiculous situation, it is no longer a race but a parade of cars .
The running of many meetings could do with a major tightening up .
Unnecessary course car or circuit tours , delays in dispatching recovery vehicles also slow loading and the time taken for returning cars to the paddock or pits . Not having following races ready to go to circuit .
Winners parade laps and unnecessary full circuit laps after a crossing the finnish line could all be looked at .
Competitors want to race and spectators want to watch racing not empty tracks or a 60 kph display of cars .
Having the decision makers monitoring the live racing at all times certainly speeds up the process.
This hiccup happens every decade as the systems get overloaded with slack .
And might I suggest the total waste of time and space called the Incedent board be finally put to good use and used as fuel at the end of meeting BBQ .

Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
grumpy52 is offline  
Quote
Old 28 Jan 2018, 15:39 (Ref:3796249)   #38
AdrianM
Racer
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 277
AdrianM should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
How many of the delays you point out are the fault of competitors rather than the circuit and/or officials though?

I've lost count of the number of times my series has been called to the assembly area but drivers are still sitting around eating in their street clothes rather than suited up ready to go. It's not rocket science to work out the time band in which you're going to be called and be ready.

Not to mention that a lot of the delays in the race themselves are from people not paying attention to the flags. I watched several races at Brands last year where yellow and even red flags were out for several corners before the majority of the field even noticed them.

Same thing happened in the one race I saw with Code 60. Some drivers saw the flag and obeyed, others just shot by them and then sorting out who should be where delayed things even more.
AdrianM is offline  
Quote
Old 28 Jan 2018, 16:32 (Ref:3796269)   #39
Dave Brand
Veteran
 
Dave Brand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
England
Hadfield, Derbyshire (UK)
Posts: 6,344
Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!Dave Brand is going for a new lap record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by grumpy52 View Post
From what I have read and understand employment of Code 60 in a normal club race for more than half the race time or laps is a ridiculous situation, it is no longer a race but a parade of cars .
So how is it different in that respect from the Safety Car?

Quote:
The running of many meetings could do with a major tightening up .
Unnecessary course car or circuit tours , delays in dispatching recovery vehicles also slow loading and the time taken for returning cars to the paddock or pits . Not having following races ready to go to circuit .
Winners parade laps and unnecessary full circuit laps after a crossing the finnish line could all be looked at .
It's so easy running a race meeting!

Course cars are needed to pick up written reports. Loading may often appear slow for a variety of reasons - a good recovery team will take care to ensure that, no matter how badly damaged the car, it suffers no further damage during the recovery operation.

Quote:
And might I suggest the total waste of time and space called the Incedent board be finally put to good use and used as fuel at the end of meeting BBQ .
If by "incedent" (sic) board you mean the hazard board, its purpose is, to quote the Blue Book, "awarning of a hazard that was not present when the practice/race commenced." Arguably, if the hazard board were not available more yellow flags would have to be used.

It would help if more drivers knew what it is. . .
Dave Brand is offline  
__________________
Doing an important job doesn't make you an important person.
Quote
Old 28 Jan 2018, 21:49 (Ref:3796491)   #40
MGDavid
Veteran
 
MGDavid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
England
Berkshire
Posts: 3,201
MGDavid has a real shot at the championship!MGDavid has a real shot at the championship!MGDavid has a real shot at the championship!MGDavid has a real shot at the championship!MGDavid has a real shot at the championship!
Good grief; in 15 years of racing I don't think I've ever seen a Hazard board
In what way is it different from a stationary yellow left hanging out when something remains after an incident has been dealt with and the fuss has died down.
MGDavid is online now  
__________________
a salary slave no more...
Quote
Old 28 Jan 2018, 22:36 (Ref:3796502)   #41
kipper
Veteran
 
kipper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
England
Northampton
Posts: 2,284
kipper should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by MGDavid View Post
Good grief; in 15 years of racing I don't think I've ever seen a Hazard board
In what way is it different from a stationary yellow left hanging out when something remains after an incident has been dealt with and the fuss has died down.
A hazard board is merely advisory and are intended to keep racers aware of changes in circumstances (an example being a car that has pulled off into a reasonable position, the driver is out of the car, and that there are no marshals trackside). As a hazard board is being used you can pass it at full racing speed, overtake, etc, which of course differs from a yellow flag. Hazard boards are used fairly frequently - although how visible they are is a debatable point.
kipper is offline  
Quote
Reply

Bookmarks




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
vB code Red Announcements and Feedback 3 16 Oct 2002 18:20
Color code prakt Formula One 17 16 Jul 2002 15:03
vB Code EvilPumpkin Announcements and Feedback 2 26 Jun 2002 16:44
code 3? botsquad ChampCar World Series 4 9 Sep 2000 17:38


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT. The time now is 21:17.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2018 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.