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Old 8 Oct 2019, 21:09 (Ref:3932804)   #51
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Max: no, you are not violating any copyright. Again, you do not sign away your copyright or license the rights just by buying a ticket because the clauses that say so are very likely void.

However, any owner of a property can prohibit visitors from taking picture as part of their house rules. If they catch you taking pictures, they can throw you out. This is what for example museums do and this is allowed and enforceable. So if the ticket that you bought says "you may not take pictures", that is usually enforceable and they can enforce that by throwing you out.

The pictures you did take before being thrown out are yours and you can do as you please (potentially within the limits of data protection if you take pictures of other people that did not consent to you posting them online). They cannot prevent you from that on legal grounds for the reason stated above.

What they can do factually by the power of being the bigger bully is a different story.
What if the ticket says... "you may not take or publish pictures". So you get kicked out, but I think they can come after you if you publish the photos (I think exceptions for newsworthy events and maybe other reasons).

Here is a hypothetical. You publish concert photos on Facebook (and the tickets specified no photos). The organizer has a relationship with Facebook and they scan for any photos taken at the concert. For any they find, they ask Facebook to take them down. Facebook may just remove your photos. I am not saying that happens today, but I think it could.

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Old 8 Oct 2019, 22:42 (Ref:3932814)   #52
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I'm not sure I've grasped all of this. Are you saying that if I take a picture from the public areas at a race track and stick it on FB I'm infringing their copyright?

So gradually people are stopped from publishing their own photos. Gradually people stop taking photos. Gradually interest wanes.

The specialist pages stick to boring royalty free images. Formulaic pictures. Interest wanes.

Great marketing plan! Typical short termist F1.

More photos = more interest. Spread them wide, spread the love.

Or have I got it wrong? After all, I am reading this after a couple of glasses of red

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Yup, I don't get it either, they have a free marketing stream that is probably worth billions of dollars, and they hack it off at the knees for sales that probably total hundreds of dollars and damage their brand.

Does Sutton images own their own images or are they in fact just trading illegal images taken at racing events? (Kempi's excellent points put to the side.)
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Old 8 Oct 2019, 23:02 (Ref:3932817)   #53
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Last year a mate of mine was doing his usual annual "follow Bob Dylan around Europe" trip concentrating this time on concerts in the UK. About 4 of them as I recall. Some Dylan fans do all of them.

Anyway he bought tickets for one concert local to me and invited Management and myself to join him. In the end he decided he could not make this one so I decided, since they were pretty good tickets near the stage and directly in front, that I would take a couple of pics on the phone and shoot a few seconds of video just to say thanks for the tickets. I was all of 10 seconds before one of the 'security' staff rushed up and told me I was not allowed to use the phone and to delete the files.

There were others doing much the same with no comments being made but I was almost next to an end of row seat so an easy target.

The pics and the video were pretty poor quality from my phone. It's not great in low light. So there was no way I could have made use of them commercially. Most would be likely to find the same results.

I suspect that what they were really worried about was people hearing on video the rather poor sound quality, though to be fair it was, at least as far as the band were concerned, better than the last time I saw him in Cardiff about 18 years before.

The subject of "Image Rights" has become a very significant potential money generating source for 'celebrities' and the origin of the concept in the US has driven perceived values to be far higher then they really should be. But it's just one of the commercial games one can play if one has enough money to buy a seat in the game.

In the end they will be curating images which, for the most part, have no real interest for any one once a price tag has been attached. A few images may be valuable as recurring sales. For older images I would guess the values will fall away eventually.

If you own the images and the market leading means of publishing them I'm not really sure how the model could work if you stop "selling" through your own regular outlets because you cannot make them profitable.

Where else do you turn to try to recoup your investment?
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Old 9 Oct 2019, 19:56 (Ref:3932980)   #54
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so because of this thread (and pitpass story) i decided to check out this so called motorsports network images site.

went in ready to be outraged but wow what a well organized, well curated collection of pictures and so far have not encountered a paywall. have already spent an hour or two digging around.

im not going to say the ends justify the means but at the same time its not like they took something great and made it pants. actually they took something that was pants and completely disorganized and presented it in a very accessible way.

https://www.motorsportimages.com/

now my issue is maybe more along the lines of why FOM didnt get here first?

they should have been the ones to buy Sutton and other archives and combined those images with their own in order to create something truly unique for it fans right!
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