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View Poll Results: Driver of the race.
Fingerboy 27 35.53%
Webber 1 1.32%
Massa 0 0%
Teflonso 14 18.42%
Hamilton 0 0%
Button 1 1.32%
Petrov 0 0%
Heidfeld 0 0%
Rosberg 0 0%
TGF 1 1.32%
Sutil 0 0%
di Resta 0 0%
Barrichello 0 0%
Maldonado 0 0%
Kovalainen 0 0%
Trulli 0 0%
Kobayashi 1 1.32%
Glock 0 0%
d'Ambrosio 0 0%
Liuzzi 0 0%
Karthikeyan 0 0%
Buemi 0 0%
Alguersuari 31 40.79%
Perez 0 0%
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Old 27 Jun 2011, 10:14 (Ref:2906741)   #26
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Either Vettel or Alguersuari - went for Jaime.
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Old 27 Jun 2011, 11:18 (Ref:2906769)   #27
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I think someone somewhere (probably in the southern hemisphere) has a Perl script that detects when a race is held and automatically votes for Webber. We should be able to confirm this when he gets a vote but for some reason fails to start the race.
Just click on the number and you'll see who voted.
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Old 27 Jun 2011, 11:56 (Ref:2906789)   #28
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Strategy guinea pig, gearbox issues..

Some day, like when the clear #1 at Renault, this driver will be able to run his own race... without any commitment to making his teammate's day better

Could easily have been Mr Hamilton for not dissimilar reasons, and for telling his crew what they should already know...
Webber has said the call to change tyres early on the last pitstop was his (and with hindsight a mistake). Also the gearbox issue was late in the race (after the pitstop cockup) so had little if any impact on his finishing position. Given those snippets of info he's certainly an odd choice for DOTR.
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Old 27 Jun 2011, 14:56 (Ref:2906868)   #29
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I'm reluctantly coming to the conclusion that Vettel ticks all the boxes.
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Strategy guinea pig, gearbox issues..

Some day, like when the clear #1 at Renault, this driver will be able to run his own race... without any commitment to making his teammate's day better
But he made some of the calls. Even without that, do you think he drove a more impressive race than Vettel's?
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Old 27 Jun 2011, 15:05 (Ref:2906873)   #30
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Just click on the number and you'll see who voted.
I'd have to vote to get to the numbers, and I haven't yet decided if anyone was stand out enough to actually bother. It seems to me that all the drivers did what was predicted by qualifying - SV pee'd off in to the distance, as expected, all the others drivers pretty much did as expected. Snore.
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Old 27 Jun 2011, 15:58 (Ref:2906893)   #31
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all the others drivers pretty much did as expected. Snore.
Did you expect Algersuari to gain 10 places?

Or Schumacher to make an ill judged passing move and plummet back through the field. Oh. Hang on........
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Old 27 Jun 2011, 18:44 (Ref:2906975)   #32
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Alguersuari was the only driver to out perform expectations
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Old 27 Jun 2011, 21:01 (Ref:2907033)   #33
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Button for me: just for that monster overtake.

Honourable mentions:
Alguersuari - for carrying that dog up into a place that it clearly doesn't deserve
Vettel - he won, and made it look easy (again), even though it's obviously not
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Old 28 Jun 2011, 02:09 (Ref:2907109)   #34
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Alguersuari was the only driver to out perform expectations
I'm not entirely sure what more Vettel could have done to out perform expectations? Pole, win, fastest lap (on the harder tyres).

ps - whereabouts in Maidstone are you?
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Old 28 Jun 2011, 04:24 (Ref:2907125)   #35
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Old 28 Jun 2011, 10:09 (Ref:2907227)   #36
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Almost perfect race from Vettel and rightly took the maximum points for it.
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I'm not entirely sure what more Vettel could have done to out perform expectations? Pole, win, fastest lap (on the harder tyres).

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He didn't outperform expectations. I expected him to do all of that. Ergo, no outperform.

(Harder tyres maybe, but end of race with a light fuel load and no traffic)
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Old 28 Jun 2011, 15:57 (Ref:2907440)   #38
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So the fact that he's the most dominant driver out there, blowing everyone else into the weeds means he can't be DOTR because it's expected of him? Weird.

Had Webber done that on sunday, the forum would be going crazy about what an awesome job he'd done.
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So the fact that he's the most dominant driver out there, blowing everyone else into the weeds means he can't be DOTR because it's expected of him? Weird.

Had Webber done that on sunday, the forum would be going crazy about what an awesome job he'd done.
It's been said a number of times on here - people tend to vote for outstanding drives, rather than the winner (otherwise the poll would be rather pointless, except for the expected Webber vote). This wasn't particularly outstanding, as many expected it of him, given the fact he has by far the fastest car, and he is a very quick driver.

To be honest, if I were to vote I would vote Vettel, but I'm not voting!

If Webber had done it - then given he isn't as quick as Vettel, it would likely have been an outstanding drive and he may have got my vote, but it's rather a moot point.
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Old 28 Jun 2011, 18:21 (Ref:2907515)   #40
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[QUOTE=TrapezeArtist;2907033]Button for me: just for that monster overtake.

And because he's such a nice guy. Who else? Why else? How much does that ridiculous circuit slip into Bernie's back pocket?
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It's been said a number of times on here - people tend to vote for outstanding drives, rather than the winner (otherwise the poll would be rather pointless, except for the expected Webber vote). This wasn't particularly outstanding, as many expected it of him, given the fact he has by far the fastest car, and he is a very quick driver.

To be honest, if I were to vote I would vote Vettel, but I'm not voting!

If Webber had done it - then given he isn't as quick as Vettel, it would likely have been an outstanding drive and he may have got my vote, but it's rather a moot point.
Don't get me wrong, i know the point your making and i understand it, to a certain degree. But it's a bit like saying that Messi can't be player of the match because he's that much better than everyone else ergo, his performance doesn't exceed everyone's expectations. Just seem's abit bizarre to me.
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I liked it but for some it probably spoilt the party, .
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So the fact that he's the most dominant driver out there, blowing everyone else into the weeds means he can't be DOTR because it's expected of him? Weird.

Had Webber done that on sunday, the forum would be going crazy about what an awesome job he'd done.

Vettel for me by a mile!
Webber's result just confirms how good his performance was.
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Alonso, for providing such a nice passing move , gets my vote.

Seems to be the only guy who consistently looks like a real GP driver.


And @ the comments about Vettel being "that" good, or so much better.

Five or six years ago Alonso and Kimi were the best guys in the world. Depending on who had the better car. In five or six years time we might be talking about Daniel Ricciardo, or someone else, but it probably will not be Vettel.

The person it WILL definitely be is the person in the best car.

For some reason, the best team-mate in the best car is considered the best driver.
That logic is essentially flawed but it is what is most commonly used.

At the moment that person is Vettel, who is performing better than his team-mate in the best car, the Red Bull.

I know not everybody thinks so simplistically, but it is how statistics misrepresent true driver quality.

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The only way to find the best driver is to put them all in exactly equal cars and send them around the track at exactly the same time (not really possible for either). Even then, some will be helped and some will be hindered by worse or better driving of others.
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but it probably will not be Vettel.

The person it WILL definitely be is the person in the best car.
Whats to say it won't be Vettel and still in the best car? Hamilton, Alonso, Schumacher and Button have all proved that you don't win titles if you don't have the best car.

I am genuinely intregued as to why it probably won't be Vettel though. In 5 or 6 years time he'll still only be 28/29 years old, quite possibly a 3 or 4 times WDC and beating other World Champions along the way to do that. I'm not sure what more a driver can do than that?
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