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Old 1 Oct 2019, 21:39 (Ref:3931371)   #26
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Is that Matt Neal, BTCC Independent Champion 1991-2005?
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 08:03 (Ref:3931406)   #27
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 09:13 (Ref:3931424)   #28
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Matt Neal with low ballast to qualify well and then 'play the team game'? Yeh, go on then.
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 09:42 (Ref:3931429)   #29
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Matt Neal with low ballast to qualify well and then 'play the team game'? Yeh, go on then.
The thing is, realistically what could TOCA or the stewards do if Neal were to torpedo Turkington or Jordan out of the race? The worst that would happen is that Neal would get points or a grid penalty. Nothing would happen to Dynamics or Cammish.
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 10:39 (Ref:3931437)   #30
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The thing is, realistically what could TOCA or the stewards do if Neal were to torpedo Turkington or Jordan out of the race?
They could apply Regulation 4.2.4:

'Where in the opinion of the BTCC Clerk any competitor(s), team(s) and/or manufacturer(s)/constructor(s) has gained an unfair advantage (whether inadvertently or not) from a breach of the Regulations either by its own actions or those of another competitor the BTCC Clerk may after giving the parties a right to be heard impose any one or more of the following penalties upon such competitor(s) and/or team(s) and/or manufacturer(s)/constructor(s) in order to remove or otherwise compensate for such advantage:-
4.2.4.a. reprimand
4.2.4.b. fine: Future participation in the Championship shall not be permitted until this fine is paid
4.2.4.c. time penalty
4.2.4.d. exclusion from the event or any part thereof
4.2.4.e. one or more of the above penalties may be imposed as appropriate'
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 11:42 (Ref:3931446)   #31
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Not being funny people can think what they want about Matt Neal but dont think he would do that he didnt do it with Shedden when he went for his titles so why would he do it now?
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 13:04 (Ref:3931472)   #32
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The thing is, realistically what could TOCA or the stewards do if Neal were to torpedo Turkington or Jordan out of the race? The worst that would happen is that Neal would get points or a grid penalty. Nothing would happen to Dynamics or Cammish.
Oliphant could do the same to Cammish
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Oliphant could do the same to Cammish
That's a fair point. However Matt Neal has past form here, granted he has never taken someone out in blatant attempt, but he did severely impede Turkington at Brands Hatch GP in 2009 nearly causing his retirement.
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 16:47 (Ref:3931517)   #34
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I'm supporting Turks, purely for the sake of equaling Rouse's record, Cammish's got at least another 2 years to strike lucky and AJ has dropped too many plates for my liking. I understand this season's obviously been very stressful for AJ since it may be his last but his attitude both on and off the track, there's no call for it, plus I think he blew it big time at Silverstone so it's between Turks and Cammish as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 17:25 (Ref:3931523)   #35
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Neal won it in 93, 95, 99, 00, 05 and 06
I was being a bit sarcastic At the time it felt like the Privateers /Independents/Total Cup was owned by Neal
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Old 2 Oct 2019, 18:33 (Ref:3931547)   #36
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I understand this season's obviously been very stressful for AJ since it may be his last but his attitude both on and off the track, there's no call for it, plus I think he blew it big time at Silverstone
Turks didn't ramble about Butcher or Collard despite being perfectly entitled for doing stupid moves on him

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so it's between Turks and Cammish as far as I'm concerned.

nope

AJ is just one point behind Cammish and he will be lighter
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Old 4 Oct 2019, 07:18 (Ref:3931856)   #37
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Having read and listened to Dick I'm reading it that:

AJ is (maybe already has had) going to receive a stern talking too

That even if he did find a sugar daddy Dick is probably not interested in having him around anymore.

I think Dick is totally straight so I can't imagine for one minute Colin will have a "better" car than AJ at Brands. But even so, I'm thinking it's between Colin and Dan.
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AJ has admitted he is going for it more now that he unlikely to be back. So it will be very interesting this weekend
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Old 4 Oct 2019, 10:01 (Ref:3931870)   #39
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Was literally just reading the article where Jordan 'broke the rules' of WSR by fighting with a faster car (Turks). Agreed that he knows he's not going to be in a BMW next year so isn't afraid to **** anyone off I the last few races... definitely going to be very interesting at Brands!
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Was literally just reading the article where Jordan 'broke the rules' of WSR by fighting with a faster car (Turks). Agreed that he knows he's not going to be in a BMW next year so isn't afraid to **** anyone off I the last few races... definitely going to be very interesting at Brands!
I guess in theory WSR could not field his car if there was any funny business in the first race(s).
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Was literally just reading the article where Jordan 'broke the rules' of WSR by fighting with a faster car (Turks). Agreed that he knows he's not going to be in a BMW next year so isn't afraid to **** anyone off I the last few races... definitely going to be very interesting at Brands!
For those who haven't read it - article here.
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For those who haven't read it - article here.
Imagine that, drivers racing....
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Imagine that, drivers racing....
I think that is the distinction Dick is making - he wants to see the team racing collectively, not individuals within the team against each other.
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If that article is accurate it wouldn't surprise me if Jordan got replaced or something before the weekend. It sounds like the relationship has really soured. Of course that would be a monumental thing to do and its very unlikely, but strange things do happen.
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Drivers racing... Not team mates taking each other off. Quite a simple request from the boss I'd say.
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If that article is accurate it wouldn't surprise me if Jordan got replaced or something before the weekend. It sounds like the relationship has really soured. Of course that would be a monumental thing to do and its very unlikely, but strange things do happen.
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it would be terrible PR if Dick kicks AJ before final round

if Dick doesn't want AJ to win there are more subtle ways like putting deliberately bad setup on the car
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be serious

it would be terrible PR if Dick kicks AJ before final round

if Dick doesn't want AJ to win there are more subtle ways like putting deliberately bad setup on the car
But what a strong message it would send to any other driver thinking of joining WSR.

It would clearly show that no driver is bigger than the team, and that egos get you nowhere at WSR.

It might make for a difficult few days, but the long-term gain may be worth it?
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This really is a non-issue. The two raced hard and neither took each other out. It’s a click bait article that lacks the balance of the original article in the printed magazine.

Dick has been at this a very long time - he's not naive enough to think that one of his drivers will hop out of the way for the other when both are in the hunt for the championship. The golden rule is they do not take each other out and they didn’t.

Relationships are no more strained than you would expect with two drivers in the same team with a chance at winning the championship. Always difficult to manage but a nice problem to have.
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and what exactly did happend for such overblown things?


Colin and AJ touched a bit in race 3 and that's about it , it's not like they had a DNF
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be serious

it would be terrible PR if Dick kicks AJ before final round

if Dick doesn't want AJ to win there are more subtle ways like putting deliberately bad setup on the car
Are you not thinking of Arena / Team AON?
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