monaro in NC

rocket · 8 Jul 2003, 07:07 (Ref:655530)

now that it has officially been canned for production what will happen with the monaro in nations cup, will it still be elligable & if so for how long. if they stick to the rules it should be illegal, after all it was originally allowed to race on the prospect of 50 to be produced & sold

**GTRMagic** · 8 Jul 2003, 07:25 (Ref:655539)

The boss of the series owns the red Monaro, I doubt it will be gone any time soon

Onlooker · 8 Jul 2003, 07:31 (Ref:655541)

If it doesn't have to be production based it opens up a whole host of possible cars,if Holden can come up with a winner when they combine forces with renown performance car builders GRM imagine what a bunch of silly italians can do with the new anything goes rules

**GTRMagic** · 8 Jul 2003, 08:02 (Ref:655551)

If the rumours that PHR are looking to put Maserati motors in the 360 Challenge cars, the PROCAR category will become a joke!

Morris 1100 · 8 Jul 2003, 08:02 (Ref:655552)

How many cars in Nations cup are built as road cars?
The Ferraris, Lambos and Porsches are built as a one make raceing. You can not buy one of these and register it as a road car.
Why single out the Monaro?
Nations cup is not for production cars!

Onlooker · 8 Jul 2003, 08:23 (Ref:655561)

You can't have it both ways.On one hand you have commentators praising the aussie car as it hands out a hiding to the exotic overseas cars and on the next hand everyone jumps to their defence saying it isn't production based.
The lambo's and Ferrari's may well be made for one make events but the monaro is built for one(now 2) car events.
Fine get GRM to build 30 of them and have a one make champoinship,take them to Le Mans show us how good this car really is on the world stage.I am sure that if the car was going to race O/S the other manufacturers would be happy to see it.
By the way if it isn't production based then why do the other manufacturers keep importing new models that have a certain performance difference and have to get it approved for competition?Wouldn't you just hot up the one you had?

Monaro · 8 Jul 2003, 08:55 (Ref:655579)

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Originally posted by Onlooker
If it doesn't have to be production based it opens up a whole host of possible cars,if Holden can come up with a winner when they combine forces with renown performance car builders GRM imagine what a bunch of silly italians can do with the new anything goes rules

And the Mosler was production based

Morris 1100 · 8 Jul 2003, 09:48 (Ref:655613)

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Originally posted by Monaro
And the Mosler was production based

Yeah but it came from overseas so that makes it OK!

V8 Fan · 8 Jul 2003, 10:09 (Ref:655623)

It should be banned from racing and stripped of it's results so far. Another examole of Holden bending the rules to suit themselves.

Scott75 · 8 Jul 2003, 10:25 (Ref:655632)

Well another stupid comment from Tricky, surprise, surprise. Grow up!!

dennisonthenet · 8 Jul 2003, 11:04 (Ref:655670)

I am with tricky the harder they suck the higher hrt get

William Dale Jr · 8 Jul 2003, 11:24 (Ref:655689)

I might be a Ford man, but I'd have loved to see the Monaro rock up to Le Mans. An all-Aussie effort with full Holden Motorsport backing, Skaife, Bright and Tander at the wheel giving the Euros what-for.

As far as Nations Cup is concerned, anyone who believes that the cars running in the series are true production cars is kidding themselves. I'm with Morris on this one; "Nation's Cup is not for production cars!" They are out-and-out race cars that just happen (in some cases) to be road-registerable. Personally, I'd love to see it become even more of a GT-style class, in particular, allowing the Corvette running with the ALMS bodykit and some go-fast bits to make it competitive with the Lambos, Ferarris and Holdens. Hope the V8 Bimmers make it over here soon. And a Mustang in Class 1 wouldn't go astray...

Morris 1100 · 8 Jul 2003, 11:42 (Ref:655703)

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Originally posted by Tricky
It should be banned from racing and stripped of it's results so far. Another examole of Holden bending the rules to suit themselves.

Seing that you are such an expert, What rule have they bent? (I want the specific rule and not some made up stuff)

racer69 · 8 Jul 2003, 12:50 (Ref:655766)

On the Mosler, it is certainly a production car. Warren Mosler built 75 road going versions of them to make it eligible for N-GT...

Monaro · 8 Jul 2003, 23:37 (Ref:656372)

Quote:

Originally posted by Tricky
It should be banned from racing and stripped of it's results so far. Another examole of Holden bending the rules to suit themselves.

NC is parity based.When Holden wanted to race in NC they were asked what was needed to be competative.PROCAR agreed to what Holden submitted but would make ajustments to keep all cars equal.The ajustments are given to all cars the Viper was given bigger brakes body kit and new gearbox.The Lambo had their revs restricted all for a even field.IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A STOCK PRODUCTION CAR

Onlooker · 9 Jul 2003, 00:31 (Ref:656397)

Quote:

Originally posted by Monaro
NC is parity based.When Holden wanted to race in NC they were asked what was needed to be competative.PROCAR agreed to what Holden submitted but would make ajustments to keep all cars equal.The ajustments are given to all cars the Viper was given bigger brakes body kit and new gearbox.The Lambo had their revs restricted all for a even field.IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A STOCK PRODUCTION CAR

So it is your belief that the Monaro went to Bathurst with a fair and even parity spec

and Holden were just as suprised as the next bloke

to win by such a margin and were amazed that the car was able to do it at 3/4 pace.Do you think that they were gratefull of the "extra" pace on tap that allowed them to drop huge amounts off their lap times to catch up after the fuel cell problem.

Personally I am amazed that with all that extra grunt and rubber that it isn't faster than a Supercar,is it just poor engineering,incompetent drivers or dogy stop watches

**GTRMagic** · 9 Jul 2003, 01:26 (Ref:656417)

You missed an option there Onlooker, being told not to push the car for fear of a 2003 parity adjustment....

The car was capable of a 2.10 at least on bedrock Dunlops, on proprietary Michelins there would be a 2.08 at least on the cards!

gttouring · 9 Jul 2003, 02:12 (Ref:656435)

But Holden is now a production car Via its cousin the Pontiac GTO, in the states, so this will be the loophole for it all-wait and the Monaro will return.

Onlooker · 9 Jul 2003, 02:56 (Ref:656453)

Quote:

Originally posted by gttouring
But Holden is now a production car Via its cousin the Pontiac GTO, in the states, so this will be the loophole for it all-wait and the Monaro will return.

Good point,but Holden may not want the Aussie public to see the car with the GTO front end.

its my opinion · 9 Jul 2003, 06:00 (Ref:656504)

Who cares what happens to it, its just a 2 door Commodore with an imported engine. Big Deal!!!

Onlooker · 9 Jul 2003, 06:27 (Ref:656513)

No No it is a live example of Australian engineering and state of the art thinking that once and for all proves how far we have come in out smarting the know european sports car manufacturers.
In a nut shell,whack a big donk in an otherwise boring car and hope it can get far enough ahead down the straight to not be passed in the bends.

racer69 · 9 Jul 2003, 06:30 (Ref:656515)

Quote:

Originally posted by gttouring
But Holden is now a production car Via its cousin the Pontiac GTO, in the states, so this will be the loophole for it all-wait and the Monaro will return.

Holden are still building Monaro's for sale in Australia, just not the 'special' HRT 427 Monaro

The main problem people have is that it races with a 7 litre engine as opposed every road-going one having a 5.7 litre engine.

Onlooker - worth remembering that the Cirtek Porsche had the race in the bag until it broke a driveshaft

rocket · 9 Jul 2003, 06:33 (Ref:656517)

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Originally posted by racer69
On the Mosler, it is certainly a production car. Warren Mosler built 75 road going versions of them to make it eligible for N-GT...

and further more the one that raced at bathurst was the baby one, it only had 400hp the big one has 700hp

rocket · 9 Jul 2003, 06:37 (Ref:656519)

Quote:

Originally posted by Morris 1100
How many cars in Nations cup are built as road cars?
The Ferraris, Lambos and Porsches are built as a one make raceing. You can not buy one of these and register it as a road car.
Why single out the Monaro?
Nations cup is not for production cars!

true, but i bet the ferraris, lambos & porsches are a hell of a lot closer to the road going versions than the monaro will ever be and at least if anyone is going to race them they have a chance of buying one

Onlooker · 9 Jul 2003, 06:40 (Ref:656522)

But how could that be?
Mate I am just absolutly falling off my chair laughing everytime I see the wallies on the TV trying to convince me that I can buy a Monaro or a Ferrari and the performance will be so close that I wont notice the difference

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