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9 Sep 2016, 08:35 (Ref:3671207) | #1 | |
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ACO silence on 2017 LMP1-L Regs?
After the flurry of announcements both at Le Mans and post the race, regarding what has been proposed for the LMP1-L class for 2017 onwards, there has since been deafening silence from the ACO!
Curious to know if anyone out there has heard anything new? It would be wonderful to have a few more running in this class, other than a single Rebeliion now and Kolles. |
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9 Sep 2016, 09:35 (Ref:3671217) | #2 | |
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They don't have any idea what to do with it. No one seems to have.
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9 Sep 2016, 15:33 (Ref:3671261) | #5 | |
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We've been assured by Various Online Experts that P1-L is just fine and by 2018 will have more entrants than P2 because all of these teams really want the technical freedom afforded them, even if it means spending eleventy billion euros to only get on TV when you're on fire.
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9 Sep 2016, 15:55 (Ref:3671267) | #6 | |
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Would it be better if ACO let DPi teams race in LMP1-L class after snubbing them in LMP2?
Technical freedom might be needed, but also major manufacturers who can't afford to make a hybrid system and beat the likes of Volkswagen Group and Toyota. |
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9 Sep 2016, 22:20 (Ref:3671322) | #7 | |
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ACO wants manufacturers to fund proper P1 efforts and push the boundaries of technology. Not buy an old Lola and tape an engine in the back and call it a Mazda. THAT is why DPi won't fit in LMP1-L. They want to see an actual Audi and not a P2 car with a GT engine and some stickers.
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You say it's no different but it's actually completely different given the manufacturer involvement IMSA is trying to achieve. I for one have no desire to see teams like Mazda competing in WEC or Le Mans until they decide to do it properly. On a side note, the entitlement some IMSA fans show is astounding. Like ACO should be grateful for IMSAs involvement and give them everything they want. DPi sounds great...for IMSA. But it isn't a fix for LMP1-L. Last edited by Akrapovic; 10 Sep 2016 at 08:04. |
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10 Sep 2016, 10:59 (Ref:3671397) | #10 | |
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I'll be okay if LMP1-L has semi-works teams like Action Express Racing, of course that wouldn't count right because ACO wants GM to spend money on making a hybrid LMP1 car?
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The only fix for LMP1-L is to take it out back and kill it. There's less than zero interest in anything other than a watch company burning up the profits from insanely expensive timepieces. Kolles is a dumpster fire in sportscars as they were in F1, often an actual fire too. Nothing against the team guys but think they are hamstrung by their budget and resources. |
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"LE MANS" PROTOTYPE 1 category includes:
http://www.fiawec.com/presentation/classes.html Or are the 4 IMSA/ACO/FIA constructors considered manufacturers in your book? IMSA's OEM (manufacturer) body work must be sold through their constructor partner. L.P. |
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10 Sep 2016, 03:43 (Ref:3671363) | #13 | |
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Remember the whole nonsense over Honda and friends refusing to use generic engine management? They are definitely running their own traction control. Plus you know, the whole funding teams thing.
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10 Sep 2016, 04:33 (Ref:3671365) | #14 | |
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So we will fix privateer LMP1 class by filling it with LMP2 cars.
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Lol that post right there is exactly what I'm talking about. "Hope the ACO chokes". What a nice grown up rational response. No entitlement there at all. I never said the ACO can do no wrong. Not thinking DPi is the second coming of Jesus does not make the ACO perfect so let's drop that nonsense.
LMP1-L is for private teams. Not werks (I can spell it wrong too, totally cool), not werks backed. Private. If Mazda doesn't want to spend money to be in LMP1 and fight the big teams then that's fine, they don't have to. But it doesn't mean they should be allowed into a private class to pick on the privateers. This goes for Action Express and other GM backed teams too. Now if you propose binning LMP1-L completely and introducing DPi then that's another kettle of fish all together and maybe worth talking about. DPi itself is a fine idea and suits IMSA down to the ground. But mixing that with what's a 100% private class isn't a good idea and will mean private teams will lose out to companies like Mazda and Nissan who don't want to spend money to fight with the big teams. Edit: this goes for Alpine too. Get out of the amateur private classes. |
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As for the entitlement goading comment and the oh so witty retort post to the response to it... What a nice grown up rational response. As to the assertion that DPi is the second coming, maybe you should try reading the post, as it said "it would behoove the ACO IMO to adopt the DPi formula concept to populate their P-1l class". Not to wholesalely adopt IMSA's DPi, but then again who cares about the ACO right? Or the fact that there is supposed to be a bond/link/relationship between the 2 most popular endurance sports car series. L.P. |
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10 Sep 2016, 16:44 (Ref:3671470) | #18 | |
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Indeed the money required to run in LMP1 is rather high. However that doesn't change anything I said. P1-L is meant for private teams. Not werks or works or manufacturer funded. Private teams either building there own car or buying a chassis. As soon as you allow DPi entries then you're going to have teams like Mazda, Nissan and semi works GM teams lining up for entries in a class that they aren't meant to be in.
Once again, DPi is a fine concept. But it's trying to achieve a different thing to P-1L. DPi is wanting manufacturer involvement for cheap. P-1L is wanting privateers to build there own cars. These concepts are not directly compatible as a single class. |
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10 Sep 2016, 17:04 (Ref:3671478) | #20 | |
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Chokes on is in reference to them stuffing the bs line of everyone wants this down our throats. Why shouldn't I wish they choke on their own stupidity that they thought we'd all think was so great? I don't think IMSA's DPis are any better of an idea but it has a better chance of sticking around.
The rest of us have figured out one car is not a class. Strakka isn't building their car and who else has even been hinted at as having true funded interest? Even Rebellion is seemingly questioning the class and they are pretty much guaranteed a win there every event. |
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10 Sep 2016, 17:07 (Ref:3671482) | #21 | |
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The DPi concept requires the purchase of a homologated P2 chassis and encourages manufacturer involvement with bodykits and engines. The P-1L concept encourages privateer development and no manufacturer involvement. The manufacturer involvement is a massive massive issue that would devalue the private entries in P-1L and undermine the ACOs attempt at encouraging manufacturers to experiment with new technology in P-1H.
I for one do not want P-1L to turn into a playground for manufacturers like Mazda and Nissan who don't want to invest in the series like Toyota and VAG have. You can argue P-1H is too expensive, and you may be right. But that's because it's ground breaking and pushing the boundary of technology, rather than making funny shaped cars advertised with hashtags or an old defunked prototype with an engine taped in. DPi will be great in the states. It isn't needed in WEC. If P-1L dies then it dies. DPi isn't the fix the ACO is looking for. |
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10 Sep 2016, 17:29 (Ref:3671487) | #23 | |
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I didn't say let it die, I said if it does it dies and that DPi isn't the fix that is needed because it's incompatible the overall philosophy that the ACO is pursuing. I don't see what is entitled about being able to see the big picture of what the ACO is trying to do, and not thinking that DPi has some sort of right to appear in WEC/LM.
However seeming to think that IMSA should have any say in how the ACO does things, whilst having to utilise the ACOs own homologated equipment... Last edited by Akrapovic; 10 Sep 2016 at 17:48. |
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10 Sep 2016, 17:53 (Ref:3671496) | #24 | |
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I think the real delusion is believing allowing DPi cars into LMP1L will have any meaningful impact on the health of the class anyways. It might add like 3 cars at Le Mans (which for the ACO is a worthless pursuit compared to trying to get the current factories to run third cars), it will do nothing for the rest of the season.
The only reason it was brought up was to pacify protests over IMSA teams buying ineligible cars, but that doesn't even matter because it turns out privateer teams that actually have interest in going to Le Mans can't buy a DPi anyways. |
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