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Old 11 Jul 2014, 18:00 (Ref:3432888)   #3736
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Well, I agree with success ballast. Most of the series employs it like Super GT so it would be feasible for WEC LMP1 class to institute this rule.
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Old 11 Jul 2014, 18:05 (Ref:3432893)   #3737
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don't know how much could fit well a success ballast in WEC lmp1 class; anyway if also lotus will be allowed to run with a min. weight of 810kg, I hope that audi, toyota and porsche will be down to 850kg
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Old 11 Jul 2014, 18:11 (Ref:3432895)   #3738
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What I note with some amusement is the ACO-FIA's evident move to prevent or at least greatly restrict the ability to create interactions between the exhaust flow and the rear diffuser area. It would seem that the ACO-FIA are mainly targeting Audi and their LM-spec exhaust layout which literally complies with the current rule restrictions, but may nevertheless be seen to be too close to the "edge".

Now, when it comes to the explicit ban on "movable parts/elements of the bodywork (...) when the car is in motion", the ACO-FIA have evidently decided that revisions were not at all required in the rules, at least for now. The ACO-FIA however have yet to issue clarifications regarding the interpretation of this other provision, which the Toyota "movable rear wing" appears to literally infringe.

Why is it that the ACO-FIA believe that revisions are required in respect of the ban on "blown diffusers", even though there appears to be no real or evident controversy about this particular issue, while they appear to do nothing (so far) with respect to the ban on "movable bodywork", which other provision is evidently interpreted differently by the various manufacturers ?
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Old 11 Jul 2014, 18:37 (Ref:3432905)   #3739
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This is the elegance of it. You do rules like that and budgets magically go down, as the predictable ROI vaporizes. As far as a series dying because nobody else could figure out how to beat the dominant team, I think the only place we've really seen that is CanAm, where Penske/Porsche spending was a key component.

I would say if things got dire, and the series really was on the line, the sanctioning body would need to institute success ballast. Keep the rules open, but one team has to lug around a lot more weight (and likely redesign a lot of their car just to be able to handle the weight). That's an end-of-the-world scenario, with the series on the line. Otherwise, I would be very opposed to that sort of gimmick.
I think WEC (and F1) are so high profile they are likely to not make drastic changes. I don't follow many other series, but it would be interesting to have someone operate a smaller series somewhere under some of the types of rules we have talked about and see what works and what doesn't. It might end up as a model for the larger series.

I see your point about something like the success ballast. Last resort at you say, but it also sort of admitting defeat if the series has "open rules" at it's core.

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Old 12 Jul 2014, 04:33 (Ref:3433071)   #3740
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What I note with some amusement is the ACO-FIA's evident move to prevent or at least greatly restrict the ability to create interactions between the exhaust flow and the rear diffuser area. It would seem that the ACO-FIA are mainly targeting Audi and their LM-spec exhaust layout which literally complies with the current rule restrictions, but may nevertheless be seen to be too close to the "edge".

Now, when it comes to the explicit ban on "movable parts/elements of the bodywork (...) when the car is in motion", the ACO-FIA have evidently decided that revisions were not at all required in the rules, at least for now. The ACO-FIA however have yet to issue clarifications regarding the interpretation of this other provision, which the Toyota "movable rear wing" appears to literally infringe.

Why is it that the ACO-FIA believe that revisions are required in respect of the ban on "blown diffusers", even though there appears to be no real or evident controversy about this particular issue, while they appear to do nothing (so far) with respect to the ban on "movable bodywork", which other provision is evidently interpreted differently by the various manufacturers ?
If Audi's exhaust ran, it should be legal. What difference is the wording to Audi? Just like the "rigidly attached" rear wing wording.
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Old 12 Jul 2014, 08:06 (Ref:3433108)   #3741
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If Audi's exhaust ran, it should be legal. What difference is the wording to Audi? Just like the "rigidly attached" rear wing wording.


I am questioning the ACO-FIA's motivation to revise some provision of the rules which do no appears to raise any fundamental issue (i.e. the ban on "blown diffusers") and the ACO-FIA's apparent "unwillingness" to clarify other provisions that are currently at the center of discussions between the manufacturers (i.e. the ban on "movable bodywork parts/elements").
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Old 12 Jul 2014, 10:28 (Ref:3433126)   #3742
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I know your questions. The wording difference in the latest revisions changes nothing on the blown diffuser side. You say theyre seemingly targeting Audi, though. But theres also new wording on the rear wing attachment, that changes nothing either. I dont see anything to read into.
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I know your questions. The wording difference in the latest revisions changes nothing on the blown diffuser side. You say theyre seemingly targeting Audi, though. But theres also new wording on the rear wing attachment, that changes nothing either. I dont see anything to read into.
So, again, they revise provisions that do not "need" revision, and they leave out a provision that would definitely require clarification, namely the ban on "movable bodywork parts/elements" ???
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Theres already wording on that Why do they need more? And, again, they modified the text on the rear wing mount being "rigidly attached" to etc. How is that any less of a revision than the blown diffuser?
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Theres already wording on that Why do they need more? And, again, they modified the text on the rear wing mount being "rigidly attached" to etc. How is that any less of a revision than the blown diffuser?
Why do they need more ??? Are you serious ??? Because there is controversy surrounding the movable rear wing used by Toyota. Because "movable" means... well... "movable" and, evidently, the ACO-FIA are tolerating Toyota's movable rear wing solution.

So, yes, this particular provision would definitely require clarification.
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According to who? You say they added to its wording or not? Maybe they havent done enough. But the wording added to that is being ignored to fit your argument theyre targeting blown diffusers instead. Thats what Im getting from your posts.
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According to who? You say they added to its wording or not? Maybe they havent done enough. But the wording added to that is being ignored to fit your argument theyre targeting blown diffusers instead. Thats what Im getting from your posts.
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You didnt answer my question. They added wording to the rear wing mounting in the revision, correct?

They added wording to the blown diffuser ban in the revision, correct?

Neither makes much difference. So why are you singling out the latter?
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You didnt answer my question. They added wording to the rear wing mounting in the revision, correct?

They added wording to the blown diffuser ban in the revision, correct?

Neither makes much difference. So why are you singling out the latter?
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You didnt answer my question. They added wording to the rear wing mounting in the revision, correct?

They added wording to the blown diffuser ban in the revision, correct?

Neither makes much difference. So why are you singling out the latter?


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So, again, they revise provisions that do not "need" revision, and they leave out a provision that would definitely require clarification, namely the ban on "movable bodywork parts/elements"
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