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Old 17 Aug 2004, 13:05 (Ref:1069265)   #1
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The entire Ferrari Formula One field ran exhibition/demonstration laps Saturday midday, with at least one driver demonstrating how it was not to be done. FREDERICO KROYMANS of Holland crashed his #3 1999 F399 Ferrari in Turn Six. Kroymans was unhurt, save for a sore knee, but the car will need a severe rhinoplasty. When JIM BUSBY' s#5 1997 D310B came around the bend he saw the crashed car and stopped to help. Busby said the driver was slumped over with his legs sticking out. Kroymans sat up with a start upon seeing Busby, unhooked his seatbelts and got up. He was walking around when the San Francisco Region SCCA emergency crew arrived. The car was towed in and quickly covered by the Ferrari crew. Busby said Kroymans was fortunate he was in such a stout, well-made car.
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 13:27 (Ref:1069289)   #2
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Ouch. He must have hit something very very hard, or at a very strange angle to break the tob like that. It looks like a clean break... very strange...
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 13:37 (Ref:1069298)   #3
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Wow! looks like they forgot to screw it together!

How could you ever get your confidence back with your car after something like that? agree, very very strange.
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 13:48 (Ref:1069312)   #4
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Is that a genuine picture? I'd be surprised at an impact that can cut through the safety cell but leave the driver's legs and the left barge board.
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 13:49 (Ref:1069313)   #5
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Ive seen that happen to a mercedes road car on the motorway once Needless to say the residual damage was a lot worse... Amazing he was not injured more seriously!
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 13:51 (Ref:1069317)   #6
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It looks very suspicious.

It seems to me the car was not as well put together by its current owners as it should be, as it should not shear apart like that.

The same chassis design stood up very well when Schumacher crashed at Silverstone.
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 14:07 (Ref:1069337)   #7
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Allegedly this is the very car from Silverstone repaired and sold to the Dutch importer who crashed it last week in the States - thats what you get for your million quid - a very lucky escape - the next demo by this customer fleet is at Donington for Big Red I believe

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Old 17 Aug 2004, 14:09 (Ref:1069338)   #8
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I'm with the suspicious boys on this one.........
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 15:54 (Ref:1069445)   #9
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I find it weird that they had cut the tub like that
and still let it go on a race track!
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 15:57 (Ref:1069450)   #10
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Maybe he pressed the accelerator to hard and the car broke in 2?
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 16:24 (Ref:1069474)   #11
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Looks very iffy to me..The Tub looks like it was a clean cut rather than from an impact....hmmmmm!
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 17:27 (Ref:1069517)   #12
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Weird...
http://www.autoracing1.com/Images/Ph...edferrari2.jpg
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 18:32 (Ref:1069595)   #13
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Hmm, looks like a repaired tub which has split exactly where it was repaired. If I was the owner of that car I would be livid! If it is the ex Schuey '99 Silverstone car then Ferrari have a lot of questions that need to be answered...
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 18:39 (Ref:1069604)   #14
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That is nmothing short of ludicrous. How can anyone let that car go out on track?

Who will have carried out the repairs?
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 18:43 (Ref:1069610)   #15
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 18:53 (Ref:1069630)   #16
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Looks a bit dubious, almost as if he's posing for the picture. It might not be, but it looks a setup.
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 18:57 (Ref:1069638)   #17
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It's too clean a break.
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 19:00 (Ref:1069643)   #18
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Bit of Tank Tape should do the job!
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 19:11 (Ref:1069659)   #19
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Are you sure that isn't what was holding it together anyways?
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Old 18 Aug 2004, 14:41 (Ref:1070537)   #20
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This guy, as rich as he must be, surely deserves a trade in for a "new" F2002! what a joke!! carbon tubs that have been repaired should never see a race track! I'd be wanting my money back....
what where Ferrari thinking by ever selling a damaged tub???

the impact was very very minor! just look at the damage to the nose! you could have snapped this in half over the curbs at monza its that shonk!

I wonder what the official ferrari team members at the track had to say when they saw this damage????

hmmmm....
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Old 18 Aug 2004, 15:20 (Ref:1070575)   #21
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Apparently it's not the Schumacher Silverstone 99 car.
This crashed car was chassis #193.

Here's the history of the chassis at Silverstone

Chassis #193
99/Jul/3 1.03.253 Fiorano, shake down 7 laps
T-car for the British GP Badoer

Chassis #192
99/Jul/11 accident, lap 1
air 23 C,
track 40 C British GP
Schumacher 3

If this is correct...the question is: How did it break this way so easy!
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Old 18 Aug 2004, 15:49 (Ref:1070596)   #22
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Yep, Schumacher's accident was in 192.

193 raced later in 1999 also.

This car has clearly been tampered with in non-Ferrari hands.

A monocoque is, as the name suggests, one piece.

It wouldn't fall apart at low speeds like that in normal circumstances.
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Old 18 Aug 2004, 16:03 (Ref:1070607)   #23
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He probably found a box full of unused screws when he got home...
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Allegedly this is the very car from Silverstone repaired and sold to the Dutch importer who crashed it last week in the States - thats what you get for your million quid - a very lucky escape - the next demo by this customer fleet is at Donington for Big Red I believe

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it was'nt crashed by the importer(Frits Kroymans www.kroymans.nl) himself, but by his son.
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Old 18 Aug 2004, 20:43 (Ref:1070880)   #25
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http://www.xs4all.nl/~camipeet/Kroym...uli2004010.jpg

someone photographed the car when it was in the Kroymans showroom.
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