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Old 11 Jan 2018, 22:25 (Ref:3792159)   #331
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Why is speed such a determining factor with the mainstream public?

From the TV and trackside - how many are going to pick the difference in speed in the racing is strong & close?
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Old 12 Jan 2018, 00:38 (Ref:3792173)   #332
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Speed doesn't matter, it's about finding the right balance between sporting quality and excitement. And with that, the answer is Super GT (which is coincidentally a hell of a lot faster than a Supercar).
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Why is speed such a determining factor with the mainstream public?

From the TV and trackside - how many are going to pick the difference in speed in the racing is strong & close?
Because the ‘Lap of the Gods’ and the ‘Lap of the Jandal’ are played over & over & over in the media to the extent that their continued improvement creates ‘legend’ status..
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Old 12 Jan 2018, 02:31 (Ref:3792191)   #334
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if we introduce Gt4 in Australia as main stream Motorsport we have killed mainstream motorsport in Australia.

Go back to drawing board and do it quick

thats why the Super Gt/DTM is a good startegy. It is much quicker than GT4 (and even gt3)


Do you live in a fantasy world?

The costs of building and running Super GT and DTM make even the GT3 cars look cheap. In a time when costs need to be cut we would be going the opposite way. You adopt those rules the grid gets halved straight away and the category dies off in 1-2 years.

I think GT4 is a much better starting point. Adopt that to the local scene as suggested several posts up and it would be far cheaper and sustainable too.
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Speed doesn't matter, it's about finding the right balance between sporting quality and excitement. And with that, the answer is Super GT (which is coincidentally a hell of a lot faster than a Supercar).
The Super GT and DTM cars are mega dollar cars that only exist with manufacturer support. It is categorically not the answer for our small market.

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The Super GT and DTM cars are mega dollar cars that only exist with manufacturer support. It is categorically not the answer for our small market.

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Indeed. The big three makers behind each series DTM or SGT have much bigger budgets and for their home countries also.

I dont think people understand how much more expensive Class One is. As spectacular as Super GT is, it is not a viable option for such a small market here in Australia. We have to go our own way like BTCC has done in England. Costs have to be cut and if it makes the cars slower but still has close racing then its no detriment to the category.
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Well aware of the costs surrounding Class One and not at all saying that we should follow the Class One regs.

However I believe there is an awful lot that we could learn from the way Super GT conducts itself and that there is room for improvement if Supercars could follow some of the same themes and ideals as Super GT.
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Because the ‘Lap of the Gods’ and the ‘Lap of the Jandal’ are played over & over & over in the media to the extent that their continued improvement creates ‘legend’ status..
Lap of the Jandal? - is that really what people are referring to it?

What did the sport do prior to 2003 and in the 14 years prior to McLaughlins lap?

Brock, Moffat, Johnson etc seem to build legend status and the sport did ok with building interest in the media and public.

I think you are placing to much importance on it.
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Lap of the Jandal? - is that really what people are referring to it?

What did the sport do prior to 2003 and in the 14 years prior to McLaughlins lap?

Brock, Moffat, Johnson etc seem to build legend status and the sport did ok with building interest in the media and public.

I think you are placing to much importance on it.
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Because the ‘Lap of the Gods’ and the ‘Lap of the Jandal’ are played over & over & over in the media to the extent that their continued improvement creates ‘legend’ status..
And yet those laps are not the fastest laps we have seen around Bathurst

So why is anyone saying speed matters?
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And yet those laps are not the fastest laps we have seen around Bathurst

So why is anyone saying speed matters?
I think it is the perception of speed that matters. There was a period a while back where no support category was allowed to run at a V8 event if their laptime was faster that what the V8's of the day could put down. No F3, Sports Sedans et al. While those days are gone to an extent, Supercars still allow the fan to believe that their product is the biggest, the baddest and the fastest to the exclusion of all others.

GT4 would be a good starting point for a new or reborn "top level" series, with the only issue being that the Sports Cars are running the faster GT3 cars.

Class One is also not the answer. They are further removed from reality than a Supercar, and the cost to build one is stupidly expensive. The budget that the Germans have to run a squad of cars would probably be able to put you somewhere on the F1 grid, and that is with full manufacturer support.
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Old 12 Jan 2018, 11:51 (Ref:3792256)   #342
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So why is anyone saying speed matters?
The crowd at the Bathurst 6 hour is not exactly huge (even though as far as production cars go, those are fast cars), I don't know if that's your answer...
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Speed is an odd one. People go on about it, and it's right that we expect our race cars to outperform their street counterparts. But ask the public to watch two cars 4 seconds apart over a few kms, and they'd be hard put to spot the difference. And all that speed comes at a cost.

On top of which, speed does not necessarily equate to great racing. In fact the opposite is often true. Over the years some of the best racing I've watched involve 2CVs, MG Midgets, original style Minis... None of which can be described as fast but all of which were hugely entertaining. DTM is certainly very quick, but good racing? Generally not.
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Super GT / DTM cars are way off Australian team budgets.

How about Trans-Am?




Cheap, powerful and loud.
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Super GT / DTM cars are way off Australian team budgets.

How about Trans-Am?




Cheap, powerful and loud.
You can buy a new TA2 car in Australia for $120k. Engine rebuilds scheduled for 3/4 seasons, some people ran their cars for the whole season in Australia without even having to change brake pads. Not as quick as a Sports Sedan, but far less maintenance.
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