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Old 15 Dec 2017, 16:46 (Ref:3787290)   #241
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The numbers will be no where near high as expected.

The problem is TCR is aimed to be a "cheaper touring car series" compared to say BTCC but the reality is that it is not cheap at all.

The cars cost 100k+ for starters. So expect an arrive and drive season to cost well in excess of 100K, drivers with that sort of money may as well look at doing BTCC.

Great idea in theory but the reality is cold, dark and expensive!
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Old 15 Dec 2017, 17:22 (Ref:3787295)   #242
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The numbers will be no where near high as expected.

The problem is TCR is aimed to be a "cheaper touring car series" compared to say BTCC but the reality is that it is not cheap at all.

The cars cost 100k+ for starters. So expect an arrive and drive season to cost well in excess of 100K, drivers with that sort of money may as well look at doing BTCC.

Great idea in theory but the reality is cold, dark and expensive!
much more than 100k for the season! good teams are quoting nearly 200k plus extra testing costs. thats stupidly expensive for basically club racing with 7 events, no tv coverage, no spectators and no profile. i bet if a driver went to somehwere like team Hard with that sort of money for a full season in btcc they would immediately sign them!
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Old 15 Dec 2017, 19:57 (Ref:3787329)   #243
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much more than 100k for the season! good teams are quoting nearly 200k plus extra testing costs. thats stupidly expensive for basically club racing with 7 events, no tv coverage, no spectators and no profile. i bet if a driver went to somehwere like team Hard with that sort of money for a full season in btcc they would immediately sign them!
Why you think Mike Bushell went from testing Pyros Honda to getting a TeamHARD BTCC drive
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Old 20 Dec 2017, 16:25 (Ref:3788375)   #244
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People kept banging on about how much cheaper a TCR car is to buy than build/buy a BTCC car. Which misses the bigger picture.

A team builds a BTCC car to uses for several years as an investment and a driver has to show to sponsors how much return they get for their investment.

If you have one established series in the market, with solid spectator and viewing figures, not to mention online following, and a start-up, the safe bet is still on the established house.

This is why TCR UK will be slow to build up. If you want to gain talented drivers who use sponsorship they have found to fund their motorsport career, TCR isn't the place to go until the series has built up an audience. TCR UK appeals to drivers who have earned enough money from other parts of their lives to then go racing, without having to pitch for sponsors.

I think.
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Old 20 Dec 2017, 22:01 (Ref:3788423)   #245
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I agree Bob.

Getting a sponsor to hand over their hard earned marketing budget for stickers on a race car requires the sponsor to see a potential for a return on that investment.

The BTCC is a pitch where solid figures can be given: X TV viewers, Y spectators at the venue. No doubt market researchers will have figures as to age/sex/interests/wealth of viewers too. All the sort of things a marketeer wants to know.

TCR: stick finger in air and guesstimate number of bums on seats.

Frankly I would think the BTCC support acts of Clios etc would be an easier sell than TCR.
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 06:55 (Ref:3788478)   #246
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Frankly I would think the BTCC support acts of Clios etc would be an easier sell than TCR.
They absolutely are.
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 10:33 (Ref:3788496)   #247
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Is this the Pyro Honda for sale? https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/De...dates-spares-p
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 10:41 (Ref:3788497)   #248
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Yes, has been for sale for a while (ad dated Sept 2017). I thought Crocker had already said he was getting (or had already got) a new-shape Civic for next year.
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 10:44 (Ref:3788498)   #249
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Absolutely agree. There are numerous talented drivers who cannot raise the funding for BTCC and to many who can without the talent, as we have seen for to many seasons.
TCR UK will provide the opportunity for talented drivers to feature in a saloon car championship with a reasonable budget.
Lets not kid ourselves however that it is another feeder for BTCC, that still remains to be cheque book racing without talent as we have experienced over many seasons. But it will still be an opportunity for many of talented drivers to star
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 12:23 (Ref:3788512)   #250
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Information that I have received is the TCR UK series has 3 confirmed entries for the 2018 season. The series is likely to be canned for the 2018 season and re-launched for 2019.
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 12:59 (Ref:3788523)   #251
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Information that I have received is the TCR UK series has 3 confirmed entries for the 2018 season. The series is likely to be canned for the 2018 season and re-launched for 2019.
go to the tcr website (tcr-series.com) and click on tcr world which gives details in a drop down menu of all the different series. but theres no mention of tcr uk. so maybe it has been canned.
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 13:05 (Ref:3788527)   #252
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go to the tcr website (tcr-series.com) and click on tcr world which gives details in a drop down menu of all the different series. but theres no mention of tcr uk. so maybe it has been canned.
But then again there is no mention of TCR Korea that is talked about in the news section on the site
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But then again there is no mention of TCR Korea that is talked about in the news section on the site
but thats just recent news in december and mightnt had time to put it up. but tcr uk has been around for months
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 14:11 (Ref:3788540)   #254
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but thats just recent news in december and mightnt had time to put it up. but tcr uk has been around for months
Because TCR UK has no website. All the Series on TCR World are links to websites
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 14:29 (Ref:3788545)   #255
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Information that I have received is the TCR UK series has 3 confirmed entries for the 2018 season. The series is likely to be canned for the 2018 season and re-launched for 2019.
If that happens then I'll have a safe punt on the series never coming into existence.
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