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Well they won't be will they? Always a highly emotive subject, parity adjustments. It's good that there is such passion in the fanbase but that does tend to magnify some responses and people generally seem to just luuuurve a conspiracy theory.
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If this change were truly inspired by the intervention of one team, the return of liner springs would have appeared too..
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I don't think they love conspiracy theories.
I do think they hate incompetence. Also, since the Mustang was essentially illegal for the first lot of races, what point deductions are coming? A car can't just start being legal multiple races into a season. Point penalties for all Mustangs is the bare minimum Last edited by Compromised; 23 Apr 2019 at 07:12. |
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Mustang wasn't illegal in any races AFAIK but there's been a parity adjustment made, similar to those made on a number of occasions in the past and at Barbagallo the Mustangs will need to be a different configuration to be legal. |
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John Bowe has posted about the "squeaky wheel" getting the oil, but how short his memory must be, he and DJR were the whiningest team for the longest time while HRT were so strong.
At one point I called him John "mid corner understeer" Bowe because you know what was coming every time someone stuck a mic in his face. |
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They found advantages outside the testing parameters. Smart? Perhaps. Within the spirit of the rules? Not really.
Hopefully after this, parity has been restored, and the catagory has learned a few things for the next time aero testing is required. |
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I would have thought a run in each car by an independent, non-aligned pilot at at least 3 different circuits would have helped the process too.
The whinging is deafening on social media... |
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I'd take the opinions of such experts, over the whinging on social media.
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I have no problem with the direction that the parity of the cars is going to be done now and into the future. To have Little and Burgess in charge is a positive leap forward over their predecessors. It gives the impression that the job everybody's been asking for is finally being done. We should be happy. But the way Supercars continually contradicts themselves and the half ass way they handle things like this make them look like amateurs. They wonder why teams/fans/sponsors are getting upset.
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If you can make sense of recreating 4 chassis that last year were untuneable, plonking a new body shape on them and immediately running up the front, something doesn’t work somewhere. Running a 2 door car against a family hatch and a family sedan from a marketing perspective may create poor optics when the family sedan with no sporting pedigree of its own beats a premium priced 2 door sports car. |
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All I know is that I have been following touring car racing for 35 years and not once has a Holden had a parity adjustment or been penalised to reduce performance.
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Pretty much all through the 90s, and again in the early '00s when they went to Project Blueprint.
Then there were the engine COG measures a couple of years back, and then there were chassis COG measures earlier this year. Not to mention the rear bumper tuck saga at Phillip Island last year... But no, Holden never gets paritised. |
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They trimmed the wings and undertrays.
Which is what they're doing to the Mustang. We won't know what effect it'll have on it until they hit the track. I think the #17 and #18 will still be at the top of the pile regardless. |
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T8 hired an aerodynamicist from German racing operation HWA and invested heavily in Computational Fluid Dynamics modelling software to develop its package. CFD simulation was required to test the ZB’s aero pack because wind tunnel testing is banned under Supercars rules. T8 is believed to have invested more than $1 million developing the ZB for Supercars racing, Based on its small frontal area and huge rear wing with endplate mounting that will catch plenty of grip-generating wind mid-corner, the ZB is expected to be a very competitive Supercar." https://www.motoring.com.au/motorspo...vealed-110646/ January 2018 Ford Performance have merely used the same interpretation as 888. Yet there were, inexplicably, no aero cuts made to the ZB Commodore during 2018!? A more reasonable ruling would be to require both Commodore and Mustang to use Altima style rear wing mounts. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 23 Apr 2019 at 11:26. |
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The VR Commodore had its wings clipped mid-season in 1996, hence why Larry Perkins went back to the VP for Bathurst.
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And again in '98.
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VT in 2000 I guess had its front under tray clipped.
Not sure but I think there were some changes after that too. |
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It is bizarre that only NOW it is made clear that is expressly disallowed to improve upon the aerodynamic performance of VF, FGX and Altima in any circumstances in order to maintain "cornerstone" technical parity.
Surely 888, Holden teams (in converting to ZB, which would be unnecessary if VF had guarantees) and Ford Performance (and Ford teams in converting to Mustang unnecessarily if FGX had guarantees) would not have spent so much money if only this had been made clear earlier? Quote:
Furthermore, if ZB has an aerodynamic advantage over VF Commodore and by extension Altima & FGX Falcon -- an advantage which is expressly not allowed -- why is the ZB not also facing an aero cut? Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 23 Apr 2019 at 15:09. |
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Have to remember though, that back then the catagory may not have had access to anything like the technology we have now. So there would have been a lot of guesswork and relying on teams to be in agreeance prior to any changes. |
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