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Old 17 Apr 2018, 18:38 (Ref:3816231)   #991
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a shame really because they are doing pretty good with their imaginary F1 car at the moment.
Just not as well as they had imagined?
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Old 24 Apr 2018, 08:00 (Ref:3817129)   #992
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Old 24 Apr 2018, 10:05 (Ref:3817143)   #993
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Will the current management team at McLaren blame Mr Dennis for this year’s craap car too?
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Old 24 Apr 2018, 12:28 (Ref:3817161)   #994
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Will the current management team at McLaren blame Mr Dennis for this yearís craap car too?
This years car hasn't appeared yet.....
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Old 24 Apr 2018, 12:28 (Ref:3817162)   #995
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Will the current management team at McLaren blame Mr Dennis for this yearís craap car too?
The car's not been that bad so far, especially in Alonso's capable hands. A 5th and two 7th places.
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Old 24 Apr 2018, 13:33 (Ref:3817173)   #996
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And when the 'proper' new car arrives in Spain, who knows what will happen?
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Old 24 Apr 2018, 15:26 (Ref:3817184)   #997
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was the Mclaren Mercedes era really that good though?

race wins aplenty sure but also so so many other problems.
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Old 24 Apr 2018, 15:28 (Ref:3817186)   #998
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This years car hasn't appeared yet.....
So there is two ways to look at this. First is the very optimistic pro McLaren view in that... The 2018 car hasn't shown up yet, so hold your judgement! I appreciate that viewpoint.

Second I think a more accurate perspective is that we are three races in and McLaren doesn't expect to bring their "real" car until the fifth race? Over 20% of the season will be in the mirrors! Yes they switched power units, etc. But I feel they very much are in a position to be judged for their performance so far.

It is interesting to go back and read the 2018 launch PR stuff. Clearly they talk about the current car as the "new" car and there is no mention of it being an interim solution until a "real new" car shows up later. It is named the MCL33 and not something like MCL32b. I get that this is a PR statement, but it is ironic in hindsight. Clearly we should ignore what the teams say as either it was a lie then, or it is revisionist history now...

https://www.mclaren.com/formula1/201...mcl33-3162533/

And to be honest, I have to question if this "new" car is actually "new", or just a slew of already planned updates that are not unusual for pretty much ALL teams to bring at that point in the season. I expect most everyone may have a "new" car (by McLaren's definition) at some point in the season. Development is always ongoing. The car at the start and end of the seasons is usually clearly an evolution. Is McLaren bringing an entirely new chassis (along with requisite crash testing, etc.) or is this just standard aero and other misc updates? Is all of this talk some type of attempt at a face saving measure from McLaren given how poorly they have performed given who they are?

Lastly... Imagine if the upgraded car is not a significant step forward! Oh boy! Over promise and under deliver might be the new team motto! IMHO, the better strategy is to just keep their heads down, "quietly" deliver upgrades and then (hopefully) show progress on track. That is the best way to silence critics.

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Old 24 Apr 2018, 15:51 (Ref:3817190)   #999
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And when the 'proper' new car arrives in Spain, who knows what will happen?
They will probably just open 'The Observers Book of Racing Car Excuses' at a random page, copy and paste a few lines!
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So there is two ways to look at this. First is the very optimistic pro McLaren view in that... The 2018 car hasn't shown up yet, so hold your judgement! I appreciate that viewpoint.

Second I think a more accurate perspective is that we are three races in and McLaren doesn't expect to bring their "real" car until the fifth race? Over 20% of the season will be in the mirrors! Yes they switched power units, etc. But I feel they very much are in a position to be judged for their performance so far.

It is interesting to go back and read the 2018 launch PR stuff. Clearly they talk about the current car as the "new" car and there is no mention of it being an interim solution until a "real new" car shows up later. It is named the MCL33 and not something like MCL32b. I get that this is a PR statement, but it is ironic in hindsight. Clearly we should ignore what the teams say as either it was a lie then, or it is revisionist history now...

https://www.mclaren.com/formula1/201...mcl33-3162533/

And to be honest, I have to question if this "new" car is actually "new", or just a slew of already planned updates that are not unusual for pretty much ALL teams to bring at that point in the season. I expect most everyone may have a "new" car (by McLaren's definition) at some point in the season. Development is always ongoing. The car at the start and end of the seasons is usually clearly an evolution. Is McLaren bringing an entirely new chassis (along with requisite crash testing, etc.) or is this just standard aero and other misc updates? Is all of this talk some type of attempt at a face saving measure from McLaren given how poorly they have performed given who they are?

Lastly... Imagine if the upgraded car is not a significant step forward! Oh boy! Over promise and under deliver might be the new team motto! IMHO, the better strategy is to just keep their heads down, "quietly" deliver upgrades and then (hopefully) show progress on track. That is the best way to silence critics.

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I think you're right Richard, this will be an evolution, and yes, saying that the 'NEW' car will arrive at the fifth race really mans that by then, they will have a raft of new developments to add to the car. I did read somewhere that, as the cars & equipment have to be shipped out so early for the first few races (let's face it, they're a long way away from where most of the teams are based), major revisions won't happen until the races get back into Europe.
Certainly, as you say, once more McLaren have stuck their neck out and made huge promises, they are going to look doubly foolish if they don't live up to them...
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Old 24 Apr 2018, 16:48 (Ref:3817195)   #1000
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Perhaps it would be good for McLaren to diversify into balloon racing, all that self-generation of hot air would enable them to lap the field, and look at all that sponsorship space on a big orange balloon.
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Old 24 Apr 2018, 17:14 (Ref:3817203)   #1001
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Viv, although some of the garage equipment and such are shipped, the cars and spares are airfreighted. The usual timetable is for the containers to be delivered to Heathrow (I think) on Friday afternoon in time for the fleet of 747s to fly out on Saturday morning.
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Old 24 Apr 2018, 17:36 (Ref:3817211)   #1002
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I feel the McLAren excuses stem from the lack of pre-season tessting miles completed and the focus of that testing being changed to chasing reliability rather than testing updates. This meant that updates planned for use in Australia on were ultimately untested and therefore not cleared for use. Updates they have introduced have since been the subjected to limited testing in Friday P1 to make up for mileage missed pre season.

Now they have the opportunity to play catchup under the guise of it being hyped as 'the real 2018 car'.

As has been said this 'new car' needs to be quick out of the box to save a bit of face.
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It's interesting. On one hand they have scored 28 points so far, compared to 30 for the whole of last year! On the other we just know they aren't doing as well as they could be and it feels like they are the slowest of the three Renault teams (despite more points that Renault).
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The team must revert to black and white, original NZ colours used by the team at their very begginings.
Remember that, with West sponsorship the cars had already these colours...
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The team must revert to black and white, original NZ colours used by the team at their very begginings.
Remember that, with West sponsorship the cars had already these colours...
The original livery was predominately white with green. However, the Papaya orange is so synonymous with McLaren, from F1, CanAm and IndyCar, why not stick with it?

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