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Old 19 Apr 2018, 14:54 (Ref:3816514)   #136
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Every overtaking manoeuvre in the race was totally influenced by each drivers relevant tyre degradation situation. Same in Bahrain, same at every GP.
but surely preferable to all overtaking being influenced by DRS zones no?
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Old 19 Apr 2018, 15:17 (Ref:3816517)   #137
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Every overtaking manoeuvre in the race was totally influenced by each drivers relevant tyre degradation situation. Same in Bahrain, same at every GP.

In fact if Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull are all on exactly the same tyres, with exactly the same amount of degradation, then none of them have any chance of overtaking each other.

That is such an absolute fact that I'm very surprised how poor the top teams are at working it out...and quickly. Mercedes, in particular. seem very dim in this respect.

Everybody knows a tyre change under the safety car is effectively a free stop.Everybody also knows that tyre degradation has a profound effect on lap times.More than any other single factor by some margin. Top teams spend millions on finding tenths of a second but don't seem to realise quickly enough that a set of new tyres can find 2 seconds or more instantly.

The only GP where track position is everything is probably Monaco.
apologizes on the selective use of your post there.

just re read it and absolutely agree with the larger point you were making. my previous post didnt reflect that.
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His moves donít look that risky though. They tend to be assertive so the other driver is in no doubt, but also well executed so there is no lock up and allowing the other driver to react sensibly and have the room to react.

Yes, other drivers may not see, but that risk is there for any overtake. Other than just blast plast on the straight an out brake is one of the safest. Especially if the attacker doesnít lock up with Ricciardo seems to rarely do.

And we donít want to not see overtaking.
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Old 20 Apr 2018, 09:45 (Ref:3816627)   #140
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I'm a bit late to the party (and I still haven't seen the post-race interviews and analysis) but I have to throw in a few comments.

Red Bull were lucky that the safety car came out just when it did. The Red Bull drivers were lucky that the team reacted so quickly to the safety car.

When it comes to out-braking, Verstappen seems to think that different laws of physics apply to him. In Ricciardo's case, different laws of physics do apply!

Verstappen's mistakes and outbursts show that he has a greater sense of entitlement than that shared by all F1 drivers. But he is different to other young drivers reaching the top in motor-racing because he is a completely manufactured product, created by Jos Verstappen from the moment he was weaned.

I thought the Verstappen/Vettel contact was just a racing incident. Maybe not 50/50 but Vettel could have avoided it by giving a bit more room. Later in the race, he jumped off the track completely when Alonso came barging through.

Bottas drove a superb race, but being smooth and understated, he perhaps doesn't get the credit he deserves. He's more Prost than Senna.

It must be frustrating for poor Raikkonen. He's driving as well as he ever has yet he's already cast in the number two role to help Vettel win the championship. You have to be a selfish person to get into F1 at all, so I find it hard to understand how the likes of Irvine, Barrichello, Massa and Kimi can tolerate that situation.
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Old 20 Apr 2018, 13:29 (Ref:3816649)   #141
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I think "big money" is the answer.
I saw a documentary once on Eddie Irvine..he admitted to being No2..and then said..
"So would you if you saw what I was being paid to do it".
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I think "big money" is the answer.
I saw a documentary once on Eddie Irvine..he admitted to being No2..and then said..
"So would you if you saw what I was being paid to do it".
I would agree, the sums of money involved could be very persuasive. But these guys are very ego-driven and it seems a bit feeble to battle all the way to F1 and then say "I'll just sit back now and take the money."

Massa got his day in the sun after several years of brown-nosing Schumacher. Irvine and Barrichello never did get a proper shot at being a No 1 in a competitive team (ignoring the time when Schumacher broke his leg). Kimi has been right to the top of the tree, he's still got the speed yet he finds himself in a role where he just has to ensure Vettel gets as many points as possible and Hamilton as few as possible. I find it hard to believe he's doing it for the money as he walked away from a F1 salary once before when he fancied rallying instead, though I'll admit I can't think of another plausible explanation.
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I thought the Verstappen/Vettel contact was just a racing incident. Maybe not 50/50 but Vettel could have avoided it by giving a bit more room. Later in the race, he jumped off the track completely when Alonso came barging through.
Having watched some replays, I've revised my opinion on Verstappen v Vettel. Seb left more than a car's width (inadvertently) but Max didn't have sufficient control to keep his car within the space. I'm still amazed that Fred got away with his move on Vettel though.
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I would agree, the sums of money involved could be very persuasive. But these guys are very ego-driven and it seems a bit feeble to battle all the way to F1 and then say "I'll just sit back now and take the money."

Massa got his day in the sun after several years of brown-nosing Schumacher. Irvine and Barrichello never did get a proper shot at being a No 1 in a competitive team (ignoring the time when Schumacher broke his leg). Kimi has been right to the top of the tree, he's still got the speed yet he finds himself in a role where he just has to ensure Vettel gets as many points as possible and Hamilton as few as possible. I find it hard to believe he's doing it for the money as he walked away from a F1 salary once before when he fancied rallying instead, though I'll admit I can't think of another plausible explanation.
Think most of these guys are realistic enough to admit that there is nothing that can be done with most of the cars on the grid, so collect the money, do as you are told and live a long, happy and prosperous life. There is no possible reward for dragging most of the cars on the grid around.

Barrichello and Irvine were never the best of the best, and yet they made very good livings out of F1 and got good results even if they paid second fiddle to Schumacher. They would never have beaten him consistently in an equal car anyway.
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