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Old 1 Feb 2018, 10:24 (Ref:3797411)   #16
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Liberty Media haven't done this for anything noble, like equality reasons, they have made this change because they are worried about their bottom line (pardon the pun). Public perception matters and if that affects their brand, then that means lower revenues. They have just stuck their finger in the air and seen which way the wind is blowing on this very topic, personally I don’t blame them for taking the decision, however deep down I don’t think it’s been done for the right reasons. I think if the women involved enjoy it and aren’t being coerced into it, I don’t personally see the problem. It’s a modelling job at the end of the day, are they going to ban modelling now as a “profession”?

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Old 1 Feb 2018, 10:29 (Ref:3797413)   #17
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Liberty Media haven't done this for anything noble, like equality reasons, they have made this change because they are worried about their bottom line (pardon the pun). Public perception matters and if that affects their brand, then that means lower revenues, they have just stuck their finger in the air and seen which way the wind is blowing on this very topic, personally I donít blame them for taking the decision, however deep down I donít think itís been done for the right reasons. I think if the women involved enjoy it and arenít being coerced into it, I donít personally see the problem. Itís a modelling job at the end of the day, are they going to ban modelling now as a ďprofessionĒ?
Yes, I agree. All for the wrong reasons. If they concentrated on bringing back affordable technology so this would be no issue. All this is doing, is moving the furniture around. It makes no difference to the racing.
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Old 1 Feb 2018, 10:39 (Ref:3797415)   #18
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I think if the women involved enjoy it and arenít being coerced into it, I donít personally see the problem. Itís a modelling job at the end of the day, are they going to ban modelling now as a ďprofessionĒ?
ehhhhhh, it's not strictly modelling though. promotional work maybe. it does need thinking about.

the issue is that whilst they're making money (get it, girls), and by all accounts having a great day, they're also validating the act of using women as decoration. so yeah, from their point of view it's fine but from the outside? it's saying "go ahead guys, that's all i'm here for - leering at and giggling at your crap chatup lines, lewd remarks and dad jokes".

i have a feeling this is going to end up being like the wec was - the *series* won't be hiring any grid girls, but they could easily tell the teams they need to provide someone to hold the grid board.

the interesting thing for me is that if we elevate men to do the same kind of job as grid girls it generally just looks a bit desperate and awkward. but if we say that we only expect women to do the promotional work that men currently do, it looks very different. i was thinking about that in general terms earlier as well - society and the media kicks off a bit when women start acting like men (see: the ladette culture of the 90s), but now we're expecting men to behave how we see women as doing, eg with a bit of decorum around the opposite sex, there's uproar.

put your impartial hat on and ponder that next time you're waiting for a kettle to boil. it's quite an interesting rabbit hole to disappear down. and totally off-topic
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Old 1 Feb 2018, 11:09 (Ref:3797425)   #19
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I understand Bella's point of view and respect it.... I just think the banning of grid girls per se is a bit of a knee jerk. They could do as some GP's already did.... dress the girls in National costumes and put some culture in the show. As an example, the Olympic's opening ceremony.

Then the girls get their gig and everyone is happy.
For those that want a flesh show, go pick up a Target catalogue.
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dress the girls in National costumes and put some culture in the show. As an example, the Olympic's opening ceremony.
sorry i just had this mental image of a whole bunch of girls in full faces of slap and perfectly done hair.... dressed as morris dancers
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sorry i just had this mental image of a whole bunch of girls in full faces of slap and perfectly done hair.... dressed as morris dancers
Silverstone maybe.....
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You only have to read the comments posted under that BBC Sport article link to see this was not a good decision. 99.9% of the comments are against this decision.
Never ever has there been a better gauge of what is right than the comments section on the BBC website.
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Why is this being discussed in the rules section? This is not a rule. Grid girls have not been banned. There is not a regulation on this. It is simply contractors not being rehired due to the job no longer being required.

If I stop hiring a builder, builders are not banned. They just aren't hired. So no matter what your opinion on grid girls, let's be clear that it is not a sporting regulation or rule - just F1 isn't hiring for a redundant position anymore. Making positions redundant that are filled by contractors happens, literally, every day in thousands of companies and positions around the world. Nobody seems to be fighting the side of the office worker who was "banned".
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Good point. New thread created. For us all to enjoy.
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good shout. i think we're all bored of discussing this but still it continues...

adam, just need to do some housework, mine and chili's convo was about techno-nomex gloves not lycra!

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I was a little lazy, sorry I also wondered if loon’s was to do with this or a more general I hate things post? Here’s as good as anywhere. Especially as this will probably get closed at some point.

Thinking about it, it can’t be here. As Formula E doesn’t have grid girls. https://www.autosport.com/fe/news/13...l-announcement
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Twitter has some uses. I liked this joke.
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I was a little lazy, sorry I also wondered if loonís was to do with this or a more general I hate things post? Hereís as good as anywhere. Especially as this will probably get closed at some point.

Thinking about it, it canít be here. As Formula E doesnít have grid girls. https://www.autosport.com/fe/news/13...l-announcement
But that just sums up Formula E. Nobody really watches it, and they feel the need to tell everybody how much better they are at every opportunity. They may well have shouted about it, and nobody cared.

There's huge irony in saying "we didn't see the need to shout about it", and then shouting about how you beat someone else to it. Formula E is massively hypocritical in how it is run, and I'm a huge EV fan.

Anyway, if people care enough then we'll just reintroduce grid girls. But we'll bring grid boys along too. We'll see if people like that. In F1 they'd probably be wearing suit trousers and a nice shirt. But in BTCC the grid boy would be wearing a banana hammock and a lycra top, rippling over his muscles. That way, everyone will be happy and there will be absolutely no complaints at all.
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since this is a technology driven sport, i would say just bring along some grid robots....but Honda would probably screw that up as well!

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Most of the populace have dreary day jobs...Motor Racing has always added a little glamour and excitement into peoples lives...just like the theatre, music and other entertainments...what next? Plain beige hydrid cars lined up on the grid? Grey food vans where uniformly dressed people line up for their Soylent Green?
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