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Old 31 Jul 2018, 01:24 (Ref:3840241)   #16
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This new class is a great idea, but there's too many classes already.

Also, I don't think that it will be amateur-only, despite the promsies.
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It shouldn't be called GT2 as a starter, that will just confuse people
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I think you'll just see a more street style "aero" kit with street level of hp in the GT3 cars. Doubt any one will adopt a new car unless someone wants to pay wholly for a new toy for this class. Feels more like pulling the R8 and AMG Merc out of GT4 but not sure how the rules will make them stop making the GT4 models without outright banning them and cost capping the cars relative street price. It seems like answer to a question that should have been asked years ago and somehow they made the answer harder and more expensive. In the name of saving money of course. If they had just been stronger and said NO to the supercars and made Audi go with the TT (BMW it with the RS5) and MB with something else (don't know their lineup enough to know is there a decent big engine C that's not too Clarkson?), and maybe Ferrari make a go fast Portofino? Hell Porsche made something other than the 911 go racing so I think the others can deal
I think the articles are clear, Ratel points to sports vehicles of a range greater than GT3, I do not think the point to R8, AMG GT or Portofino.
For me that's why Ratel chose the name of GT2, higher range cars with more power.

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This new class is a great idea, but there's too many classes already.

Also, I don't think that it will be amateur-only, despite the promsies.
I think like you, for me it is also a great idea. Ratel has in his mind to recreate the fight of the last GT1, Ferrari 575/550, Lambo Murcielago, Saleen S7, Aston DB9, Maserati MC12, Ford GT, Corvette, Nissan GTR with the new cars with little aerodynamic development to not increase costs.
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Old 31 Jul 2018, 02:41 (Ref:3840253)   #18
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I think the articles are clear, Ratel points to sports vehicles of a range greater than GT3, I do not think the point to R8, AMG GT or Portofino.
For me that's why Ratel chose the name of GT2, higher range cars with more power.



I think like you, for me it is also a great idea. Ratel has in his mind to recreate the fight of the last GT1, Ferrari 575/550, Lambo Murcielago, Saleen S7, Aston DB9, Maserati MC12, Ford GT, Corvette, Nissan GTR with the new cars.
None of those race or have race intentions other than Ferraris Corsa Clienti program. It's great he intends to use them but I have not heard a single car mentioned. For MB and Audi there's no car they could use so they're eliminated. Corvette sorry that's in the same range as the previous. Ford isn't going to continue the GT or make a new model for Ams so that's done. The GTR, really come on now. Aston can't make the Vantages run without MASSIVE help, the Vulcan program is sold out and huge deal about how limited, they aren't making more.

That leaves Ferrari, they love their 488s racing and only recently brought that in house, Lamborghini could make a V12 Aventador but they are riding a bit of Audi's work for the chassis. And well Saleen is a joke now and Maserati is too just making more badge engineered vehicles with 4 doors. There just aren't the cars, and builders, for this idea of the hypercar. Who is going to build ANOTHER chassis to go racing for Amatuers? There's a reason they use common GTE\GT3 and for a few GT4 cars, there's costs in scaling.

I have yet to hear as successful model of who is going to build hypercars in to race cars. Until then the logic, and statements made by Ratel, of using this class to DECREASE costs means previous chassis with more power and less aero.
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Old 31 Jul 2018, 02:53 (Ref:3840255)   #19
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None of those race or have race intentions other than Ferraris Corsa Clienti program. It's great he intends to use them but I have not heard a single car mentioned. For MB and Audi there's no car they could use so they're eliminated. Corvette sorry that's in the same range as the previous. Ford isn't going to continue the GT or make a new model for Ams so that's done. The GTR, really come on now. Aston can't make the Vantages run without MASSIVE help, the Vulcan program is sold out and huge deal about how limited, they aren't making more.

That leaves Ferrari, they love their 488s racing and only recently brought that in house, Lamborghini could make a V12 Aventador but they are riding a bit of Audi's work for the chassis. And well Saleen is a joke now and Maserati is too just making more badge engineered vehicles with 4 doors. There just aren't the cars, and builders, for this idea of the hypercar. Who is going to build ANOTHER chassis to go racing for Amatuers? There's a reason they use common GTE\GT3 and for a few GT4 cars, there's costs in scaling.

I have yet to hear as successful model of who is going to build hypercars in to race cars. Until then the logic, and statements made by Ratel, of using this class to DECREASE costs means previous chassis with more power and less aero.
Maybe you're right and it's like you say but from the reading of the articles I draw another different conclusion.
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Old 31 Jul 2018, 13:58 (Ref:3840329)   #20
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As far as i understand it the cars will be similar to GT4 spec in terms on aero and chassis but have 600-750+ HP. Considering that the gap between GT3 and GT4 lap time around SPA is roughly 12-14 seconds i can see how the cars would fit in the "middle". My concerns would be that these cars will be relatively expensive to build, the drivers will likely already be racing in an SRO series so could reduce grids elsewhere and SRO already has an amateur only sprint racing series in the GT Sports Club which has never really achieved great grid numbers.
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Old 31 Jul 2018, 14:15 (Ref:3840334)   #21
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Haven't they basically just tried to re-invent GT4? Not sure what the purpose of this "new" GT2 is...?
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It feels more like GT4Plus, GT4 street style with GT3 power. More power over grip, yup sounds like a perfect spec for Am drivers. If you own stock in the repair companies and car builders
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We need to stop agreeing like this.

Yeah that was my first thought too. The cars sound awesome. Less aero, more power. Closer to the road car power levels. Great cars. For Am drivers? hmmmm, that's not where I'd have put them.
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We need to stop agreeing like this.

Yeah that was my first thought too. The cars sound awesome. Less aero, more power. Closer to the road car power levels. Great cars. For Am drivers? hmmmm, that's not where I'd have put them.
And where does this put costs? If you start with an expensive car, going racing with it won't make it cheaper. What does a GT4 car cost? How about GT3? A racing version of a super car has to be pricey.
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GT3 cars cost between £250k-£750k ($330k-$990k) I believe. The 488 GT3 original cost was €429,000 (around £380k or $500k) but I suspect the Evo kit pushed that up a little.

The AMG GT4 is €198,950. (£180k or $240k).

Numbers are just straight exchange rate conversions, so not that accurate other than the base Euro price I think.
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Well if you belive Dagys and his reporting, he could have an idea from a builder who actually makes cars and importantly supports said cars.

Walliser says GT2 could be entertaining proposition for Porsche and looks like the appropriately named GT2 RS. Oh wait, is he reading our discussion here: For sure, we have drivers interestingly saying that GT4 is not enough and it’s not glorious enough.

“GT4 should stay small cars, like the Cayman, M4 and Alpine. It’s not downscaled AMGs and R8s. They are GT3.

“It’s logical to have GT2 to have the easiness of running a GT4, with the running costs and everything, with a pure regular car. Running costs would be [reduced] and you have a more powerful car.

“So it’s GT4 for adults.”

And apparently British GT will continue what looks to me to be their tradition of "Run what ya brung, we'll find a space" and have said GT2 could be included. I'll admit I have not watched much British GT but it seems like they have had a history of interesting cars running from what I've watched on the interwebs.
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GT3 cars cost between £250k-£750k ($330k-$990k) .
Good heavens, that is a spread. Which one goes for $990K?

A Ferrari 812 Superfast goes for $330-340K apparently, but that is a road version. Race prep, even if limited, is going to add a large number to that.
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Good heavens, that is a spread. Which one goes for $990K?

A Ferrari 812 Superfast goes for $330-340K apparently, but that is a road version. Race prep, even if limited, is going to add a large number to that.
That was what i was trying to get at, money + money = more money.

But i'll watch it nonetheless!

and how long until we see pro cars?
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Think the Nissan is around $500k US, the Vette was rumored around the same earlier this year. Think I've seen most of the Euro cars in the 400-550 Euros with I think the Ferrari topping the range, not sure who is hitting almost a million though. Well other than the unicorn Caddies but no price bought those so.
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