Midland excluded from results

Marbot · 30 Jul 2006, 19:13 (Ref:1668134)

No big deal,but a warning to others.http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Mid...~id~134696.htm

Marbot · 30 Jul 2006, 19:26 (Ref:1668142)

Although i should add that no other team has previously been excluded for having bendy wings.

Hazard · 30 Jul 2006, 19:39 (Ref:1668149)

Sets a precedant...though disqualifying a Midland is a bit academic

Marbot · 30 Jul 2006, 19:54 (Ref:1668160)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazard

Sets a precedant...though disqualifying a Midland is a bit academic

Being classified in a race means just as much to Midland as Ferrari winning a race.At the end of the season,if Midland and Super Aguri or whoever are on equal points (i.e. none) then race finishes will decide who finishes tenth!

goodhorsehymn · 30 Jul 2006, 20:09 (Ref:1668173)

And finishing in the Top 10 is pretty important.

Marbot · 30 Jul 2006, 20:11 (Ref:1668177)

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Originally Posted by goodhorsehymn

And finishing in the Top 10 is pretty important.

Oh yes.

**Bononi** · 30 Jul 2006, 20:28 (Ref:1668192)

True. And that can crack a struggling team like Midland...

R59 · 30 Jul 2006, 20:35 (Ref:1668199)

To finish first, first you have to finish.

I wondered how they'd got those old dogs to go so "well".

What they need is TWR to get them going!!!! Though it sounds like they're doing quite a good job without ol' Tom's help.

Rob.

BootsOntheSide · 30 Jul 2006, 20:47 (Ref:1668212)

Hopefully this won't be the day which costs them 10th place in the constructors' championship. It also means that Montiero's blocking was even less beneficial to anyone.

**Born Racer** · 30 Jul 2006, 21:31 (Ref:1668277)

Yes, and it amused me slightly that Monteiro complained about Coulthard blocking in qualifying only to get a penalty today for ignoring blue flags.

Silk Cut Jaguar · 30 Jul 2006, 21:47 (Ref:1668291)

Is anyone driving a legal car in F1 these days?

**Adam43** · 30 Jul 2006, 22:14 (Ref:1668325)

Apart from Midland in the last race, yes all of them.

Marbot · 30 Jul 2006, 23:45 (Ref:1668388)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Apart from Midland in the last race, yes all of them.

Unless of course YOU know different.

Bleu · 31 Jul 2006, 06:45 (Ref:1668511)

At this point

Midland 1x11th, 3x12th, 2x13th plus lots of weaker classified results
Super Aguri 1x12th, 1x13th, 1x14th plus weaker results.

Almost surely SA needs to get 10th place somewhere to overtake Midland, and hope that Midland wouldn't do the same. It needs a race with lots of retirements. Indy was one of them but both teams suffered double DNF like many others.

Silk Cut Jaguar · 31 Jul 2006, 09:27 (Ref:1668649)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Apart from Midland in the last race, yes all of them.

Thanks to teams withholding protests until it suits them, like Honda's against BMW, or when Paul Stoddart threatened to protest the entire grid over traction control for example, it seems like more a grey area than a clear cut 'yes' to me,

Ferrari still have their movable front wing that caused so much fuss, the mass dampers are legal/not legal/legal again...

Marbot · 31 Jul 2006, 10:38 (Ref:1668731)

According to Paul Stoddarts version of the concorde agreement (which is a legally binding document),V10 engines are the only engines that should be used up to the end of 2007.So what the hell is "legal"!

CombeMarshal · 31 Jul 2006, 11:43 (Ref:1668794)

How come ferrari got away with just being told to change there front wings but midland get dq'd??
Funny how things are going towards Ferrari at the moment, when they need it most, what with Mass dampers being banned, but then sudenly being allowed again now that Ferrari have a great big points gain under there belt.
F1 really needs to sort itself out, I thought they had bought in one group of officals to oversee the whole season, maybe it's easier to 'sway' one group than it is to start fresh every meeting!

Splatz the Cow · 31 Jul 2006, 12:38 (Ref:1668850)

The other way of looking at it is Renault may have got better results with the damper bread maker installed than without it. So if it had been banned at the beginning of the season, perhaps Alonso would not even be leading the championship now.

A consistant FIA would be great.
A correct FIA would be great.
FIA doing both would be optimal.

With teams fighting so hard for every advantage, I suspect they are making it difficult for the FIA to make correct judgements easily and quickly. Therefore, the appearance is that the FIA is making a mess of things. In fact, they could be making a good job of a very protracted and tangled issue.

Unfortunately, I may be way of the mark, and there could be other forces at work here.

Chatters · 31 Jul 2006, 13:10 (Ref:1668880)

I tell you what hasn't there been a lot of talk about these flexible devices. Are the flexible mirrors still allowed?

Knowlesy · 31 Jul 2006, 16:49 (Ref:1669086)

Flexible mirrors?

Marbot · 31 Jul 2006, 20:59 (Ref:1669324)

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

Flexible mirrors?

Don't think the ones on the Ferrari can flex,but certainly the ones on the Renault wobble a bit,probably making them all but useless.

By the way,shouldn't these mirrors be a damn sight bigger.Max keeps beating his bible about safety,and yet the drivers have to peer into these things at 200mph!

They should be E marked and on the mirror should be written "Objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are".

**Bononi** · 31 Jul 2006, 21:21 (Ref:1669351)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

They should be E marked and on the mirror should be written "Objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are".

"Objects" = Renaults and McLarens...

Clive · 31 Jul 2006, 22:16 (Ref:1669413)

Am I a cynic or do the rules still favour ferrari

Dutton · 31 Jul 2006, 22:26 (Ref:1669421)

Cynicism does not necessarily have to be wrong.

As it happens, well, sure, why not?

Everyone knows everything the FIA does is with the specific aim of favouring Ferrari.

Clearly.

**Bononi** · 31 Jul 2006, 22:55 (Ref:1669446)

They could write down this rule too.

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