[BTCC] BTCC 2021

[auroan]

Originally Posted by Pickles

The Leons have been purchased new from a dealer rather than being leased etc

I think you are missing my previous point. You would never "lease" a car from a manufacturer to build into a race car. The term lease has somewhere been used inappropriately in discussion somewhere IMHO. It should have been "finance company". Has very different connotations in my mind.

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by auroan

I think you are missing my previous point. You would never "lease" a car from a manufacturer to build into a race car. The term lease has somewhere been used inappropriately in discussion somewhere IMHO. It should have been "finance company". Has very different connotations in my mind.

Oh definitely, I wasn't referring to that, just saying where the cars have come from.

[RS67]

Originally Posted by auroan

I think you are missing my previous point. You would never "lease" a car from a manufacturer to build into a race car. The term lease has somewhere been used inappropriately in discussion somewhere IMHO. It should have been "finance company". Has very different connotations in my mind.

Think you'll find it was a tongue in cheek means of getting a cheap race car. A possible reference to people in America renting a Mustang from Hertz, racing it over the weekend and taking it back on Monday.

[auroan]

Originally Posted by RS67

Think you'll find it was a tongue in cheek means of getting a cheap race car. A possible reference to people in America renting a Mustang from Hertz, racing it over the weekend and taking it back on Monday.

No. I was referring to someone saying the scoobies BMR ran being owned by a leasing company.... when in fact they were actually just security for a loan.

[S griffin]

I’m sure BMR owned them, no reason for them not to

[S griffin]

They did their best with the Scoobys and I can’t see anyone else doing any better, so fair play to BMR

[RS67]

Originally Posted by auroan

No. I was referring to someone saying the scoobies BMR ran being owned by a leasing company.... when in fact they were actually just security for a loan.

I wasn't referring to your post.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I’m sure BMR owned them, no reason for them not to

AFAIK, and I am certainly not anywhere close to certain, Subaru owned two of the cars and BMR the other two. This may indeed have changed over the several seasons the cars contested BTCC. Technically a finance company owned BMRs as security for a loan at some point doing this tenure.

[antnee]

HARD haven't bought new Cupra's (they aren't even on sale in the UK yet) - they are buying up RHD Seat Leon FR's.

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by antnee

HARD haven't bought new Cupra's (they aren't even on sale in the UK yet) - they are buying up RHD Seat Leon FR's.

Why would you spend all that extra money on uprated engines, brakes, wheels, interior... and then remove it all? Are you telling me Dynamics cars are really Civic Type Rs? 😂

But you're right, they're buying new Leon FRs. One of them was at Thruxton yesterday.

[crmalcolm]

One of the cars

[antnee]

Why did they change/photoshop the grill to try and make it look like a Cupra?

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by antnee

Why did they change/photoshop the grill to try and make it look like a Cupra?

Presumably as the new cars are going to be entered as Cupras?

[Millvi]

As well as the Team Hard VW CCs retiring at the end of this season are there any other cars that we won’t see for 2021?

Is there an upcoming date when the FK2 Civic and the Mercedes A-Class In particular are deemed too old? Any other older cars to go soon? The Audi S3s?

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by Millvi

As well as the Team Hard VW CCs retiring at the end of this season are there any other cars that we won’t see for 2021?

Is there an upcoming date when the FK2 Civic and the Mercedes A-Class In particular are deemed too old? Any other older cars to go soon? The Audi S3s?

Eligibility lasts for 5 years after the model is no longer for sale in the UK. FK2 Civic was still available until at least 2017. The older Merc A-series was available replaced in 2018. The Audi S3 update was only announced this year, I don't know if they have stopped selling the older cars yet. So all are good for a couple of years yet.

If you mean in terms of how worn out and battered the cars are, depends on how well they have been looked after. I don't think any of them are especially bad from that point of view.

[Millvi]

Originally Posted by redshoes

Eligibility lasts for 5 years after the model is no longer for sale in the UK. FK2 Civic was still available until at least 2017. The older Merc A-series was available replaced in 2018. The Audi S3 update was only announced this year, I don't know if they have stopped selling the older cars yet. So all are good for a couple of years yet.

If you mean in terms of how worn out and battered the cars are, depends on how well they have been looked after. I don't think any of them are especially bad from that point of view.

Cheers for the info. Just had it in my mind from somewhere that some cars might’ve been approaching that eligibility deadline.

[Evantra]

Think the Audis could do with replacing.

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Think the Audis could do with replacing.

I don't think they are necessarily 'end of life', they have just never been especially successful.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by redshoes

I don't think they are necessarily 'end of life', they have just never been especially successful.

Yeah exactly... TPC could do with an upgrade. But I guess the link with AMD means any new cars would go to MB first.

Too many acronyms!

[Jiiiiiiim]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Yeah exactly... TPC could do with an upgrade. But I guess the link with AMD means any new cars would go to MB first.

Too many acronyms!

I expect to see the Audi’s replaced for next season.

[Millvi]

Originally Posted by Jiiiiiiim

I expect to see the Audi’s replaced for next season.

Comeback time for the Alfa Romeo that Rob Austin had? Still needs development but not done too many races.

A-Class Mercedes still seems a fair package.

[Pickles]

I think the Audis will be the next to go

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Jiiiiiiim

I expect to see the Audi’s replaced for next season.

Fingers crossed!

[GT6]

Cars get older and less competitive so are replaced, let us hope that the replacements are more competitive, some older cars are still capable of doing well.

[S griffin]

Of course cars can’t go on forever. This isn’t a historic championship. The good thing is they don’t suddenly become uncompetitive, it happens after a while, meaning older cars can still get results