Gold Coast 600 - No more Internationals?

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

What this means for 2014 i guess we will know by the end of the year

Fingers crossed

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Fingers crossed

what outcome are you hoping when you cross your fingers? We might have them crossed for different reasons

[NaBUru38]

Great news! Bathurst 1000 guests could get very serious.

IndyCar doen't clash with any of those races, although the Fontana 500 is just between Bathurst and Gold Coast. Same for the WEC and ALMS: Fuji and Petit Le Mans are sandwiched there as well. The WTCC doesn't race in October at all, and doesn't clash with Sandown either. Nascar Cup drivers are in the Chase, of course.

[rustyinsthoz]

I for one hope its the last time the race is held. The current short track they use is just awful. Only one decent place to pass, narrow track and no decent corners either. Rather see it replaced, even by an overseas race on a decent track.

[formerf1champ]

Originally Posted by rustyinsthoz

I for one hope its the last time the race is held. The current short track they use is just awful. Only one decent place to pass, narrow track and no decent corners either. Rather see it replaced, even by an overseas race on a decent track.

Had there never been an Indycar race there, and this circuit was proposed for a V8 race, it would be laughed at.

[Axeman444]

i'd expect no more Indy car drivers unless they have shown some skill in a V8 or sports car/ALMS type previously, eg Briscoe, AJ Almendinger etc.

If anything, they'll be coming from International GT from now on is my guess. Have Mssrs Percat, Canto, Baird etc just had an increase to their bank balance for the year?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by formerf1champ

Had there never been an Indycar race there, and this circuit was proposed for a V8 race, it would be laughed at.

wouldnt we say the same thing about the Adelaide GP track though?

a great event 80000 people on race day after starting as a similar size to what surfers is at the moment

[formerf1champ]

The GP track might get a gig, for another international series. Maybe V8s if the govenment was feeling good. The short track? Turn 9 would be very contentious without Adelaide having a history, and maybe not allow the race to go through. I have a book "Raceyear" 83 season. I'll have to look at it to make sure, but I think the initial version of the circuit meant to cut off the racecourse, from the hairpin, go straight on Wakefield drive, to turn 4. That might've been ok.

edit: The shortened GC track is a POS. The real one is one of the best street circuits ever, I think.

[rustyinsthoz]

Originally Posted by peckstar

wouldnt we say the same thing about the Adelaide GP track though?

a great event 80000 people on race day after starting as a similar size to what surfers is at the moment

If it hadn't been for the GP being held before in Adelaide, the Clipsal would never have eventuated.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by rustyinsthoz

If it hadn't been for the GP being held before in Adelaide, the Clipsal would never have eventuated.

agreed.

Same principal with the gold coast

[Umai Naa]

Maybe if the F1 circus does the bolt, V8SC can take over the Albert Park facilities...

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

agreed.

Same principal with the gold coast

Except Clipsal has been more successful than Gold Coast - way more

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Except Clipsal has been more successful than Gold Coast - way more

Clkipsal has been around for 15 years under V8s GC only 3.
Its hardly fair to compare them at different stages of live. especially when they have been restricted in what they can and cant do by the government

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Clkipsal has been around for 15 years under V8s GC only 3.
Its hardly fair to compare them at different stages of live.

Im comparing Clipsal year 3 to GC V8 year 3.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Im comparing Clipsal year 3 to GC V8 year 3.

Clipsal year 3 166,800
GC year 3 182,255

[D.R.T.]

I am thinking bigger than rough crowd figures Pecky.

Clearly the Qld Government is as well

[peckstar]

explain yourself then. in what way is it bigger?

Ive given crowd

[D.R.T.]

Exposure, media coverage and the biggest factor in all of this is that the event meets the expectations / objectives of the SA Government while Gold Coast event clearly doesnt and the dropping of the international driver concept at Indy is another example of the events failure.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Exposure, media coverage and the biggest factor in all of this is that the event meets the expectations / objectives of the SA Government while Gold Coast event clearly doesnt and the dropping of the international driver concept at Indy is another example of the events failure.

maybe you could give some examples of how it is less sucessful after 3 years in Exposure, media coverag

and can i point out that international driver concept was a concept of the previous Labor Goverenment.

What concept do the new Liberal Goverenment want? It would appear they are happy to save the money because they dont think the payoff is good enough. thus the droping of the international driver concept

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

and can i point out that international driver concept was a concept of the previous Labor Goverenment.

What concept do the new Liberal Goverenment want? It would appear they are happy to save the money because they dont think the payoff is good enough. thus the droping of the international driver concept

The international driver concept was from V8SA to try an appease the need for international coverage and image of the event. The fact that this has now been dropped is not a ringing endorsement for the event or the category.

I am not sure why this would change unless a liberal government is ok tipping 6.5 million into a race that is no different to the event at Queensland Raceway.

I dont have quantitative data to evidence the position of the Gold Coast race since Indycar left Pecky however ask race fans, event fans and if you can ask the government is the event booming or declining year by year and you will have your answer.

I will leave it up to you.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

The international driver concept was from V8SA to try an appease the need for international coverage and image of the event. The fact that this has now been dropped is not a ringing endorsement for the event or the category.

I am not sure why this would change unless a liberal government is ok tipping 6.5 million into a race that is no different to the event at Queensland Raceway.

I dont have quantitative data to evidence the position of the Gold Coast race since Indycar left Pecky however ask race fans, event fans and if you can ask the government is the event booming or declining year by year and you will have your answer.

I will leave it up to you.

so what you are saying is you have nothing

[D.R.T.]

Reading my post that is exactly what I am saying

[peckstar]

But your opinions dont exactly mean that it is behind clipsal. Unless you have some hard fact that you havent disclosed

You also have no understanding of what the discusion has been with the new government. Maybe they have said , get rid of the international format to save the cost. Now 6.5m becomes 5.5 mill a 15% saving

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Maybe they have said , get rid of the international format to save the cost. Now 6.5m becomes 5.5 mill a 15% saving

But then for what benefit? Your still spending all this money without an outcome which was at the heart of the events viability 3 years ago.

Saving money but still losing - doesnt sound like a liberal (or any smart) government to me

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

But then for what benefit? Your still spending all this money without an outcome which was at the heart of the events viability 3 years ago.

Saving money but still losing - doesnt sound like a liberal (or any smart) government to me

Maybe at 5.5m they dont lose money, maybe it provides the acceptable return. I, like yorself, dont have that information. but ist irrelevant to our discusion

What was the opinion like in Adelaide after 3 years? that is the comparison