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Old 23 Oct 2019, 09:34 (Ref:3936371)   #1
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At Paul Ricard the two front running cars in the Sixtes Endurance race were Cobras and E type Jaguars.
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Old 23 Oct 2019, 09:54 (Ref:3936373)   #2
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The two front running cars in the Sixtes Endurance race were Cobras and E type Jaguars.
Is there an alternative front running car
You do sometimes get a Bizzarini 5300 GT that races in 60s and can mix up at the front. Also a well driven Mustang GT350 could possibly aswell.

Apart from a Ferrari GTO thats it.
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Old 23 Oct 2019, 12:01 (Ref:3936386)   #3
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The two front running cars in the Sixtes Endurance race were Cobras and E type Jaguars.
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Not really. There is a ‘64 bodied GTO (recent build) that can get close, driven by a Dutch pro, but it doesn’t race in PA. I don’t think a Bizza will beat the Cobras and E Types now- maybe a couple of years ago- and a GT350 has to be well ‘bent’ to get close. Yes, there is the odd one......
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Old 23 Oct 2019, 15:24 (Ref:3936401)   #4
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Not really. There is a ‘64 bodied GTO (recent build) that can get close, driven by a Dutch pro, but it doesn’t race in PA. I don’t think a Bizza will beat the Cobras and E Types now- maybe a couple of years ago- and a GT350 has to be well ‘bent’ to get close. Yes, there is the odd one......
Certainly. Hard to say as there is not many of the exanples I gave going against the Cobras. One example is the Nolte/Funke Bizzarini which normally sets very quick times amongst Cobras and E Type.

The GTO 64 at Imola lapped the whole Pre 66 field apart from 1 car I think at Imola in a 90 minute race last year, although it was driven by Nicky Pastorelli.

You could argue now that the standard Cobra and E type are obsolete now given how good the Daytona Cobra is now as its got better aero than standard cobra and developed a lot aswell.

As always depends on whos driving.
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Old 23 Oct 2019, 15:45 (Ref:3936404)   #5
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Robert, matter of fact, Cobras and E's are at the maximum development acceptable AND very well driven. Why not considering a good TVR as an alternative?
I too noticed the fast GT350 but can say nothing about this particular one. Just asked JM why he was behind…
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We talked about TVR already, what about a good Corvette? By good I mean good braking system…*
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Apart from the Grandsport which has already been mentioned probably not . Corvettes are normally in the same class but dont have the overall performance vs the E Types, TVR's and Cobras.
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Apart from the Grandsport which has already been mentioned probably not . Corvettes are normally in the same class but don't have the overall performance vs the E Types, TVR's and Cobras.
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 07:30 (Ref:3940316)   #9
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 08:42 (Ref:3940329)   #10
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Talking of a 400.

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/...r-griffith-400
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Auction was last January Will.
Only put it up as 'Not Sold' was shown . Could be useful.
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Only put it up as 'Not Sold' was shown . Could be useful.
Only teasing, Will.....
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Posted more for the info and pics.
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Old 14 Nov 2019, 11:03 (Ref:3940548)   #16
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Posted more for the info and pics.
Yes it was certainly worth a look
I emailed them last night only to be told it was sold
I wonder how much it went for. They won’t say.
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Thanks for that information Everilda
Also thanks to you and Will for the suggestion about Nigel Reuben
delta is on the job....well once he returns from vacation with Mrs delta
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 20:33 (Ref:3940471)   #18
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The 400 is not on the list of FIA homologated cars.
Can you get an FIA HTP for the 400. I presume so because the link to the 400 posted by Will says it has papers valid to 2025.
I will need to look at the period FIA International approved events.
Assuming both the 200 and the 400 are eligible for pre 66 GT events which one would be best.
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The 400 is not on the list of FIA homologated cars.
Can you get an FIA HTP for the 400. I presume so because the link to the 400 posted by Will says it has papers valid to 2025.
I will need to look at the period FIA International approved events.
Assuming both the 200 and the 400 are eligible for pre 66 GT events which one would be best.
There are three types of Griffith

The US 200 - looks like a MK 3 Grantura - Not eligible
The US 400 - looks like the 1800S or MK 4 Grantura - eligible - so long as it is called a 200. (has Manx tail)
The GB 200 - looks like the 1800S or MK 4 Grantura - eligible. (has Manx tail)

If you look at the list of FiA eligible cars on the FiA website the Griff is called 'Griffith 200' or simply 'Griffith'.

The white car in the advert is not a 400, it is a GB 200. Only the 200 Manx tail car is homologated.

It's TVR's fault, when they sold the car in the UK and Europe it looked like the US 400 but they called it a 200. Everybody looks at a Manx tailed car and thinks it is a 400 but it could be a GB 200.

You do not need a genuine chassis number for FiA papers, you can build a clone so long as it conforms to one of the two body shapes mentioned previously.

As I have said before Nigel Reuben is the expert in Griffiths and he obtains papers for most of the cars he builds.

http://www.nigelreubenracing.com
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Thanks Everilda
Is the GB200 and the US400 the same spec
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Is the GB200 and the US400 the same spec
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Yes it is discounting RHD/LHD of course.
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You have the names and info too.
My list, may be not up to date, of homologated TVR models gives: Grantura MK III 1800 date 12/4/64, #60; Grantura Type MGB date 19/4/61, #32; Griffith 200 date 1/8/65, #206; MK III date 1/8/62: MK VI 1800 S date 1/7/67, #237.
The homologation form pictures of the 200 have been discussed here, a short while ago.
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Sorry, forgot the interesting form for you, free consultation, personal use only: https://historicdb.fia.com/sites/def...6_group_gt.pdf
If you find it gives few things, its normal. Ask the named specialist and make up your mind. A great car to drive…
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Asides Johns answer, others could be

Which ever's newest or the latest development.

or . . . depends on the weather.

Asides the obvious choices, there are still a few oddities out there which were never properly developed in period, I guess the GT160 Elva is a good example, and the Tornado, only really hindered by its lack of period development.

Most people are sheep not shepherds, so go for the easy option and follow the pack
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Thanks to all for the help
I have spoken to Nigel Reuben
All very interesting. In effect he builds new cars, although he can race restore an original car.
Both not a cheap exercise but a lot lot cheaper than an E type or Cobra. Takes about 6 months to build which would be good timing
I think I will have to go and have a look at his operation as well as keep an eye for sales of cars with an HTP
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