uk f1 tv coverage - sky, bbc and ch4 - Page 104

chillibowl · 9 Dec 2021, 15:37 (Ref:4087959)

Last minute programing changes often result in guides not being updated in time.

Keep an eye on the time slot and channel regardless of what guide says. Also usefull if you are recording.

crmalcolm · 9 Dec 2021, 15:39 (Ref:4087960)

Formula 1 Coverage Update

FORMULA 1
Saturday 11 December
ABU DHABI GRAND PRIX QUALIFYING HIGHLIGHTS at 6.55pm to 8.25pm
Steve Jones, David Coulthard and Mark Webber present highlights of the final round of this year's Formula 1 season from the Yas Marina Circuit in Abu Dhabi. Who will claim the all-important last pole of the year?

Sunday 12 December
FORMULA 1 ABU DHABI GRAND PRIX from midday
We will be screening the final race of the season in full from midday, starting with the build up, the race at 1pm and the reaction live from 3pm.

FORMULA 1 ABU DHABI GRAND PRIX Highlights at 5.30pm

chillibowl · 9 Dec 2021, 15:43 (Ref:4087961)

Its great that a deal was made. The more people who get to watch live the better.

The race thread will be more interesting at least.

Anyopenroad · 9 Dec 2021, 15:44 (Ref:4087962)

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Originally Posted by bella

maybe folk are looking for a bit more of a wildlife documentary style like you get in endurance racing.

Skam85 · 9 Dec 2021, 22:24 (Ref:4088026)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Honestly...I like Croft. He isn't amazing, but he's a lot better than most series have. He'll never be Murray (nobody ever will be), but I feel like we've forgotten how bad Legard and Allen were in the box.

I've tried to block out most of my Legard memories but I still hear him say "Abbadabbi" whenever we go to this track.

coppice · 10 Dec 2021, 07:52 (Ref:4088072)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

If we want it for free - we don't deserve a say in who commentates.

..

No TV is free .Licence fee aside ,' free' UK tv is nothing of the sort. Non BBC outputs derives its income from advertising , paid for by the likes of you and me as part of the price we pay to buy stuff. Ford UK spends over £100m pa on ads .

crmalcolm · 10 Dec 2021, 08:35 (Ref:4088074)

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Originally Posted by coppice

No TV is free .Licence fee aside ,' free' UK tv is nothing of the sort. Non BBC outputs derives its income from advertising , paid for by the likes of you and me as part of the price we pay to buy stuff. Ford UK spends over £100m pa on ads .

OK - I'll clarify:

If we want it on free-to-air - we don't deserve a say in who commentates.

Akrapovic · 10 Dec 2021, 08:40 (Ref:4088075)

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Originally Posted by coppice

No TV is free .Licence fee aside ,' free' UK tv is nothing of the sort. Non BBC outputs derives its income from advertising , paid for by the likes of you and me as part of the price we pay to buy stuff. Ford UK spends over £100m pa on ads .

You know what he meant by free. Don't be that guy.

Mike Harte · 10 Dec 2021, 08:52 (Ref:4088078)

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Originally Posted by coppice

No TV is free .Licence fee aside ,' free' UK tv is nothing of the sort. Non BBC outputs derives its income from advertising , paid for by the likes of you and me as part of the price we pay to buy stuff. Ford UK spends over £100m pa on ads .

Much in the same way that for us that most of us actually pay to use the NHS through various taxes, although it is true to say that it is free at the point of delivery.

S griffin · 10 Dec 2021, 10:34 (Ref:4088094)

Quite frankly putting the coverage exclusively behind a paywall was always going to be a bad move. It may be alright for those who are prepared to pay it, but it certainly was less likely to gain new viewers. Very short sighted move and one that should never have happened. The fans are the big losers of this

**Aysedasi** · 10 Dec 2021, 11:02 (Ref:4088110)

I thought I'd never say it but I will put up with another couple of Marc Jacobs utterly moronic fragrance adverts to be able to watch the race live.....

coppice · 10 Dec 2021, 11:06 (Ref:4088113)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

OK - I'll clarify:

If we want it on free-to-air - we don't deserve a say in who commentates.

Of course we do ; and for the sake of viewing figures (and hence ad revenue) TV companies should be mindful of feedback - as I am sure they are .

VIVA GT · 10 Dec 2021, 12:19 (Ref:4088125)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Quite frankly putting the coverage exclusively behind a paywall was always going to be a bad move. It may be alright for those who are prepared to pay it, but it certainly was less likely to gain new viewers. Very short sighted move and one that should never have happened. The fans are the big losers of this

I would add the sponsors & thereby the teams to the list of losers. As less eyes see the races the incentive to pay for sponsorship reduces.

crmalcolm · 10 Dec 2021, 13:17 (Ref:4088133)

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Originally Posted by coppice

Of course we do ; and for the sake of viewing figures (and hence ad revenue) TV companies should be mindful of feedback - as I am sure they are .

Which TV companies?

It seems like you are suggesting that Sky's production team should listen to the opinions of Channel 4's viewers (who haven't paid for Sky's F1 coverage) for a one-off race.

Sky seem to have been perfectly content with their commentator for 9 years so far, so I still stand by the position that Channel 4 viewers have no entitlement to demanding Sky change the commentary team for this one race.

**Aysedasi** · 10 Dec 2021, 14:13 (Ref:4088155)

The great thing about watching Le Mans at home this year (the only great thing....) was being able to watch everything live on Autosport Player with ambient sound to which I could sync and add the RLM commentary.....

**bjohnsonsmith** · 10 Dec 2021, 15:15 (Ref:4088174)

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Originally Posted by VIVA GT

I would add the sponsors & thereby the teams to the list of losers. As less eyes see the races the incentive to pay for sponsorship reduces.

That is exactly what happened to IndyCar. It went behind a pay-wall, audiences dwindled and the sponsors left.

chillibowl · 10 Dec 2021, 15:34 (Ref:4088177)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

That is exactly what happened to IndyCar. It went behind a pay-wall, audiences dwindled and the sponsors left.

but surely the split split the fanbase long before a paywall did?

Taxi645 · 10 Dec 2021, 15:45 (Ref:4088179)

Was this discussed somewhere on the forum?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzoJu0WXCJE

Bizarre...

coppice · 10 Dec 2021, 15:50 (Ref:4088181)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Which TV companies?

It seems like you are suggesting that Sky's production team should listen to the opinions of Channel 4's viewers (who haven't paid for Sky's F1 coverage) for a one-off race.

Sky seem to have been perfectly content with their commentator for 9 years so far, so I still stand by the position that Channel 4 viewers have no entitlement to demanding Sky change the commentary team for this one race.

I am not suggesting anything of the sort - and I don't have an opinion on Sky's team as I have never seen nor heard them . But if do have an opinion I will voice it. Opinions aren't confined to parties to financial transactions .

crmalcolm · 10 Dec 2021, 16:18 (Ref:4088187)

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Originally Posted by coppice

I am not suggesting anything of the sort - and I don't have an opinion on Sky's team as I have never seen nor heard them . But if do have an opinion I will voice it. Opinions aren't confined to parties to financial transactions .

But the original post wasn't about having an opinion on the commentators - it was about being entitled to have a say (stake) in who the commentators are.

It was even clarified, and then you doubled down on being entitled to have a say (not opinion):

'If we want it on free-to-air - we don't deserve a say in who commentates.'
'Of course we do'

For the final time - I will stand by by point.
If we are receiving a free-to-air, one-off coverage, then we are entitled to voice an opinion on the commentators, but we are not entitled to have a say in who they are.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 10 Dec 2021, 16:23 (Ref:4088188)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

but surely the split split the fanbase long before a paywall did?

Initially the majority of AOWR fans stuck with CART. However, once some of the big teams, like Andretti Green Racing, Chip Ganassi and Penske jumped ship then the split in the fanbase began to take it's toll. A couple of big teams like Forsythe and Newman/Haas stayed with CART and then it turned into Champ Car but by then both series were already behind pay walls.

VIVA GT · 10 Dec 2021, 16:39 (Ref:4088193)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

But the original post wasn't about having an opinion on the commentators - it was about being entitled to have a say (stake) in who the commentators are.

It was even clarified, and then you doubled down on being entitled to have a say (not opinion):

'If we want it on free-to-air - we don't deserve a say in who commentates.'
'Of course we do'

For the final time - I will stand by by point.
If we are receiving a free-to-air, one-off coverage, then we are entitled to voice an opinion on the commentators, but we are not entitled to have a say in who they are.

I'm not trying to fan any flames here and admit that any 'opinion' we C4 viewers may have about the commentary may not carry as much weight as those who have paid Sky for the whole seasons coverage. But, as has been explained earlier in this thread there is no such thing as free to air coverage, one way or another we are paying for it either through our license fee, or by falling for any adverts shown during the programme, so we are still consumers/customers. (Actually, that has raised another thought will the race be interrupted by advertisements? I don't think Sky have them?)

wolfhound · 10 Dec 2021, 20:28 (Ref:4088222)

I wonder by sky making their coverage available to C4 viewers are they hoping to get more subscriptions to their service?

Although it might the wrong time of the season to try it as many will have forgotten to do it by next March.

crmalcolm · 10 Dec 2021, 20:45 (Ref:4088224)

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Originally Posted by wolfhound

I wonder by sky making their coverage available to C4 viewers are they hoping to get more subscriptions to their service?

I think it is more simple - Sky are happy to take a big cheque from Ch4, and Ch4 are hoping to make that back from selling advertising slots.

Anyopenroad · 11 Dec 2021, 09:28 (Ref:4088269)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I think it is more simple - Sky are happy to take a big cheque from Ch4, and Ch4 are hoping to make that back from selling advertising slots.

Bingo. It's no more complicated than that.

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