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if the warmers are gone then presumably they would have to come up with a tire construction that has a much wider operating range and/or are far more durable. does F1 benefit from more durable tires? |
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Well it’s supposed to be technically advanced, so having more durable tyres would benefit IMHO
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"The next single-supplier contract will cover the four seasons from 2020-23, the first of which will be run with current tyre sizes and blankets."
Here's the rub, no pun intended: "That means if anyone other than Pirelli wins the bid they will have to develop tyres from scratch that will be used for only one year before the major package of rule changes comes on stream in 2021." http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/137532 As for no more tyre warmers, they don't use them in IndyCar. |
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They don’t use them in F2 either
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Good, we don't need multiple tyre compounds to confuse us
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The compounds are staying, it's just that they will be re-named at each race. So, for example, one weekend the medium compound may be called a medium because it is between a softer and harder tyre, However, the next weekend it may be called a hard because the other two tyres are softer, so the less soft of the two becomes the medium. More importantly, it will make absolutely no difference to the racing! In some ways, it is also more confusing. |
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Why are they doing this and not addressing the real problems with F1?
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Irrespective of what you call them on any race weekend, why so many compounds?
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To cope with different circuits. Since F1 likes to mandate tyres to wear at a specific rate, you need lots of different compounds to create that. Otherwise, you'd build your tyres to cope with Silverstone, and then go to Monaco and find that your softest tyre can do the entire race with minimal wear.
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If you want a cheap and easy tyre that just works and you get to forget about it (because it's just quietly doing the same thing every weekend), then the IndyCar solution is perfect. Arguably it's the better solution. If you want a tyre that wears at specific rates and designed to give you more variables during a race, you're going to need different compounds to do that. F1 tyres also have to deal with lots of different cars, being setup in completely different ways, and have much higher loads. |
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For sure, the IndyCar tyre is great. It also fails less than the F1 sets have historically done. I'm not saying the F1 tyre is better, but it is being asked to do a different job and produce a different set of results.
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It seems like they are doing a very similar job.
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In that they're round, black and keep the car off the ground, sure. But if you put a set of Pirellis on an IndyCar and asked it to go do the Indy 500, the result would be chaos. If you put a set of Firestones on an F1 car, you'd have people asking why they're much much slower than before. Given that, they must be doing different jobs?
They're doing a similar job in that they rotate around and allow the car to move, but they're solving a different set of problems. The customers (the series) have asked the tyre manufacturers to achieve different things. You yourself say IndyCar go to Detroit and then TMS. The only way to do that without lots of compounds is to make the tyre solid. Yeah they have one tyre that wears more than the other, but not to the dramatic effects F1 does. Again, I'm not saying F1 tyres are better (they're not), but if you want those speeds and consistent wear rates at each track, you're going to need lots of compounds to achieve it. You could do it with two compounds IndyCar style, but you're not going to corner as quickly. It's similar to the IMSA argument of Conti v Michelin. They're doing very similar jobs, but they were designed with different goals. The Contis were meant to be dirt cheap. As a result, they were crap. The new Michelins don't have to meet the same price point and will be a lot better for the teams. |
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