Pirelli World Challenge GT Round 20: Laguna Seca - Page 3

BullMan · 9 Oct 2016, 21:16 (Ref:3678749)

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Originally Posted by cmk

That was a really unfortunate finale from top to bottom, with the comedy of finally realizing they'd mis-allocated points 2 hours before the start to the parade of safety cars, to the lack of clarity over a safety car finish, to the unnecessary contact that decided the championship.

I thought either of the main protagonists would be worthy champions but it was a bad way to end things, especially after last year's ridiculous finale. PWC has the ingredients of a great series but the races I have watched this year have been mixed at best.

And then technical problems make the champ's interview crap out and they end the stream with nothing.

TF110 · 9 Oct 2016, 21:17 (Ref:3678750)

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Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

Yes, it was completed to the extent that you don't punt off the championship leader after you made a mistake and he had to pass you. No doubt Long would have been happy with second but wasn't going to hang about after O'Connell went off.

After he's made a mistake like that, he's got no right to punt off someone passing him IMO.

Real lack of respect in the commentary team not calling as it was either. That's not 'hard racing' and 'super exciting', it's a mess.

Meh, I'm off to bed.

It was sarcastic if you didn't catch it.

Rodger Davies · 9 Oct 2016, 21:19 (Ref:3678751)

Yeah, sorry, was in reply to O'Connell's presumptive reply rather than you

gert · 9 Oct 2016, 21:19 (Ref:3678754)

A yellow flag finish would have been bad, but actually ... this is even worse.

Mechanic Z · 9 Oct 2016, 21:45 (Ref:3678757)

Well. That was interesting.

Really awesome to see Parente, KPAX Racing, Flying Lizard and McLaren take it all! One heck of a season!

cmk · 9 Oct 2016, 21:56 (Ref:3678762)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

And then technical problems make the champ's interview crap out and they end the stream with nothing.

Haha they never got it back? I had pretty much stopped paying attention after the checkers but saw that happen and shut it off. What a joke.

Mechanic Z · 9 Oct 2016, 21:58 (Ref:3678763)

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Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

Yes, it was completed to the extent that you don't punt off the championship leader after you made a mistake and he had to pass you. No doubt Long would have been happy with second but wasn't going to hang about after O'Connell went off.

After he's made a mistake like that, he's got no right to punt off someone passing him IMO.

Real lack of respect in the commentary team not calling as it was either. That's not 'hard racing' and 'super exciting', it's a mess.

Meh, I'm off to bed.

From Twitter:

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Andrew Barca ‏@HurricaneBarca 46m46 minutes ago Wow! Contact for the lead between Long & OConnell hands @alvaroparente the championship on the last lap! #PWCMRLS

BullMan · 9 Oct 2016, 22:34 (Ref:3678772)

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Originally Posted by cmk

Haha they never got it back? I had pretty much stopped paying attention after the checkers but saw that happen and shut it off. What a joke.

Nope, just said, "sorry about that, goodbye!"

I was hoping they'd interview Pat Long.

Mechanic Z · 9 Oct 2016, 23:38 (Ref:3678782)

Here you go:
http://sportscar365.com/gt/world-cha...-lap-incident/

Some hurt feelings after this one.

**joeb** · 10 Oct 2016, 00:12 (Ref:3678790)

I'd like to see the race replay. How long sure it usually take the series to post a race on YouTube?

Mechanic Z · 10 Oct 2016, 01:17 (Ref:3678795)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I'd like to see the race replay. How long sure it usually take the series to post a race on YouTube?

They haven't been posting them on YouTube this year, which sucks. However, they do usually upload them to https://www.motortrendondemand.com/ shortly after the broadcast airs on CBS Sports. There's a 'Join free for 30 days' option.

**joeb** · 10 Oct 2016, 01:37 (Ref:3678800)

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Originally Posted by Mechanic Z

They haven't been posting them on YouTube this year, which sucks. However, they do usually upload them to https://www.motortrendondemand.com/ shortly after the broadcast airs on CBS Sports. There's a 'Join free for 30 days' option.

Thanks, I'll check the cbssports listings in the next couple weeks.

Accident · 10 Oct 2016, 01:55 (Ref:3678802)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I'd like to see the race replay. How long sure it usually take the series to post a race on YouTube?

They don't anymore, you have to buy MotorTrend's "On Demand" service or find someone who uploads the race unofficially. Apparently they decided that the series wasn't hard enough to watch on their terrible streaming site or (usually greatly) delayed uploads to YouTube, so they went and dumped it behind a paywall because that is sure to gain them more fans.

There is a clip of the last few laps that someone uploaded though, if you just want to see the contact:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG1XkUN7K7Q

It was a bit of a touring car move from O'Connell, and I'm not saying he should have done it but he's not paid to care about the championship races of other people and the door was kinda open still. Long had a gap to Parente too so he didn't really have to press the issue, and unfortunately it didn't look like he made it ahead enough to move in front to close the door. I get the feeling that O'Connell probably thought Long would go for the cautious route and leave a lane on the inside in case, and likewise that Long probably didn't think Johnny would be too aggressive with him since he was fighting for the championship.

I'd put the blame more on O'Connell of course, and obviously it's easy to say with hindsight but it was a bit unnecessary for both of them. With the way people love to hate GM I can't help but feel if the roles were reversed it would be met with laughs instead.

Seems kinda N24-esque to me, one car sticks it up the inside to the surprise of the other when a small door is left open, contact is made and bumps the car on the outside wide. Shame that it had championship implications this time.

I like Pat Long but maybe all the negative karma that other Porsche factory guys earned by crashing into other people this season fell on him for this race?

**joeb** · 10 Oct 2016, 02:06 (Ref:3678803)

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Originally Posted by Accident

They don't anymore, you have to buy MotorTrend's "On Demand" service or find someone who uploads the race unofficially. Apparently they decided that the series wasn't hard enough to watch on their terrible streaming site or (usually greatly) delayed uploads to YouTube, so they went and dumped it behind a paywall because that is sure to gain them more fans.

There is a clip of the last few laps that someone uploaded though, if you just want to see the contact:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG1XkUN7K7Q

It was a bit of a touring car move from O'Connell, and I'm not saying he should have done it but he's not paid to care about the championship races of other people and the door was kinda open still. Long had a gap to Parente too so he didn't really have to press the issue, and unfortunately it didn't look like he made it ahead enough to move in front to close the door. I get the feeling that O'Connell probably thought Long would go for the cautious route and leave a lane on the inside in case, and likewise that Long probably didn't think Johnny would be too aggressive with him since he was fighting for the championship.

I'd put the blame more on O'Connell of course, and obviously it's easy to say with hindsight but it was a bit unnecessary for both of them. With the way people love to hate GM I can't help but feel if the roles were reversed it would be met with laughs instead.

Seems kinda N24-esque to me, one car sticks it up the inside to the surprise of the other when a small door is left open, contact is made and bumps the car on the outside wide. Shame that it had championship implications this time.

I like Pat Long but maybe all the negative karma that other Porsche factory guys earned by crashing into other people this season fell on him for this race?

Thanks for posting this. The contract was less dramatic than I was expecting having read the thread, but would be super interested to see onboard from both cars. Whoever was at fault, it isn't the ideal way to end the season.

TF110 · 10 Oct 2016, 02:51 (Ref:3678816)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Thanks for posting this. The contract was less dramatic than I was expecting having read the thread, but would be super interested to see onboard from both cars. Whoever was at fault, it isn't the ideal way to end the season.

I'm sure Parente didn't mind the way it ended

**joeb** · 10 Oct 2016, 03:03 (Ref:3678821)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I'm sure Parente didn't mind the way it ended

True enough!

schmidder · 10 Oct 2016, 04:06 (Ref:3678832)

Some really exciting finishes this weekend. I like Johnny o, but that was not cool today, pat had him, he should have conceded the corner rather than hitting him in the door. And the quote about wanting it more was crap. Long handled the situation with class imo..

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Mechanic Z · 10 Oct 2016, 05:29 (Ref:3678838)

Johnny O has been penalized 2.1 seconds, or basically moved to just behind Long.
http://files.world-challenge.com/eve...-GTC_FINAL.pdf

schmidder · 10 Oct 2016, 05:30 (Ref:3678839)

Little consolation really.

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Mechanic Z · 10 Oct 2016, 05:35 (Ref:3678840)

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Originally Posted by Accident

I like Pat Long but maybe all the negative karma that other Porsche factory guys earned by crashing into other people this season fell on him for this race?

My first thought (after "Omigosh, KPAX wins it all") was that Johnny and Pat were the co-drivers of the guys that tangled in another rather messy sports car season-ender at Laguna Seca seven years ago...

https://youtu.be/DuA79kJ0EGM?t=2h38m38s

I don't think it was retaliation or anything though.

rich07 · 10 Oct 2016, 06:57 (Ref:3678846)

I think that Long left the door open a bit but O Connell shouldn't have hit him regardless. I'd say both were at fault in one way or another.

Great to see Parente grab the title

Akrapovic · 10 Oct 2016, 07:12 (Ref:3678848)

I don't see how Long could've closed the door since he was overtaking, not defending?

Anyway, the impression I've always had with PWC was it was a Caddy playground that let other cars in. That seemed to continue with this race. They also need to look at how much of the race is run under yellow. Every time I've tried to watch PWC, I seem to spend more time watching safety cars than racing. A pretty disgraceful accident, with a penalty applied that doesn't really change anything. It's all very touring car like.

On a side note, PWC live streaming for international viewers is nice. The fact they use an outdated flash system which doesn't work on some devices is not. With other series (ELMS, VLN, Blancpain, SuperGT, etc) using YouTube, it might be wise to move into the modern world and make it easier to access content.

Rcz · 10 Oct 2016, 09:31 (Ref:3678872)

For me IMSA beats the PWC because they put entire races on YouTube.

Even trans-am beat them...

Akrapovic · 10 Oct 2016, 10:00 (Ref:3678875)

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Originally Posted by Rcz

For me IMSA beats the PWC because they put entire races on YouTube.

Even trans-am beat them...

I can't speak for domestic viewing as I don't know what is Geoblocked and what isn't, but the International coverage of IMSA through IMSA Radio/RLM is absolutely perfect. I'd change *nothing* about the IMSA coverage. Easy to get to, works on every device I've tried, no commercials, and the best commentary set there is available. PWC could learn a lot from this.

JLGarcia · 10 Oct 2016, 13:30 (Ref:3678943)

So let's see: right before the final Sprint race, the points changed to reflect a 5 month old math error and both the Sprint and SprintX winners didn't actually win because they were penalized post-race.

Maybe it's a good thing this series isn't easy to watch domestically.

View Poll Results: Who will be the 2016 PWC GT Drivers Champion?
Alvaro Parente (#9 K-Pax Racing/Flying Lizard Mclaren 650s GT3)	4	30.77%
Patrick Long (#58 Wright Motorsports/#31 EFFORT Racing Porsche 911 GT3-R)	6	46.15%
Johnny O'Connell (#3 Cadillac Racing Cadillac ATS-V.R)	3	23.08%
Michael Cooper (#8 Cadillac Racing Cadillac ATS-V.R)	0	0%
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