|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
26 Mar 2011, 12:59 (Ref:2853488) | #1 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,211
|
Reasons why Red Bull are so fast....
...they must be cheating
So, what reasons will the other teams come up with for why red Bull are so fast and surely they must be breaching the rules !!!! The reason for this thread is the pics i've already seen on Twitter pointing out how low the Red Bull front wing is in comparison to the McLaren .... |
||
__________________
That's so frickin uncool man! |
26 Mar 2011, 13:32 (Ref:2853504) | #2 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,244
|
Red Bull have simply designed a better car.
A better car for qualifying that is It will be interesting to see how it handles its tyres in the race tomorrow. |
||
__________________
"On a given day, a given circumstance, you think you have a limit. And you then go for this limit and you touch this limit, and you think, 'Okay, this is the limit.' And so you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high." -Ayrton Senna |
26 Mar 2011, 13:33 (Ref:2853506) | #3 | |
20KPINAL
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 29,853
|
I think, given it appears to be on rails, it will be fine on tyres.
You would expect so anyways. |
|
|
26 Mar 2011, 13:40 (Ref:2853513) | #4 | ||
Rookie
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 80
|
I think the reason why the redbull has a lower nose is because it didn't bounce around like the mclaren did on friday :P
|
||
__________________
"Power, Precision, Engineering" Risok Motorsport |
26 Mar 2011, 13:45 (Ref:2853517) | #5 | |
20KPINAL
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 29,853
|
Is it not tilting forward under load? As opposed to bending at the sides like last year?
Another loophole exploited perhaps. |
|
|
26 Mar 2011, 15:26 (Ref:2853553) | #6 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 11,175
|
Its a fine line between doing something clever and doing something illegal. As I mentioned in a previous thread, when Ferrari tried this front flexing wing thing back in 2006, the FIA stamped it out within a couple of races, they were told it had to be changed and it was.
|
||
|
26 Mar 2011, 15:28 (Ref:2853555) | #7 | |
Retired
20KPINAL
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 22,897
|
AFAIK the Red Bull wing passed scrutineering no problem at all.
|
|
|
26 Mar 2011, 15:35 (Ref:2853563) | #8 | |
20KPINAL
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 29,853
|
Well yes.
|
|
|
26 Mar 2011, 16:34 (Ref:2853590) | #9 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,981
|
It looks to me in the two pictures above that the Red Bull might be using the drag reduction system while the McLaren is not.
The two cars would therefore have a very different front/rear downforce balance. This is would change the pitch of the Red Bull relative to the McLaren. Either that, or they are cheating... |
|
|
26 Mar 2011, 16:36 (Ref:2853591) | #10 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 565
|
..because Red Bull gives you (adjustable) wings.
Has Seb figured out how to use KERS and the rear wing to his best advantage ?? He said , I believe , he didn't use KERS,but can that be confirmed ?? |
||
__________________
Six out of seven dwarfs aren't Happy.. |
26 Mar 2011, 16:46 (Ref:2853600) | #11 | |
Retired
20KPINAL
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 22,897
|
Red Bull appear to be using a KERS that only is used at the start of the race. It's a smaller version of a normal KERS.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/9436936.stm Not the intended use that F1 KERS were intended for. Clever though. |
|
|
26 Mar 2011, 17:05 (Ref:2853607) | #12 | ||
Racer
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 102
|
Quote:
|
||
|
26 Mar 2011, 17:17 (Ref:2853612) | #13 | ||||
Veteran
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 5,100
|
The regulations say
Quote:
Quote:
|
||||
__________________
Marbot : "Ironically, the main difference between a Red Bull and a Virgin is that Red Bull can make parts of its car smaller and floppier." |
26 Mar 2011, 17:30 (Ref:2853621) | #14 | |
Retired
20KPINAL
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 22,897
|
I don't think that there is anything in those regulations that says you must recover energy. There is a total amount that you can recover, but not a minimum amount.
5.2.2 With the exception of one fully charged KERS, the total amount of recoverable energy stored on the car must not exceed 300kJ. Any which may be recovered at a rate greater than 2kW must not exceed 20kJ. |
|
|
26 Mar 2011, 17:40 (Ref:2853626) | #15 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 5,100
|
Arguably 1.20 does in its definition of a KERS as "A system that is designed to recover kinetic energy from the car during braking, store that energy and make it available to propel the car".
|
||
__________________
Marbot : "Ironically, the main difference between a Red Bull and a Virgin is that Red Bull can make parts of its car smaller and floppier." |
26 Mar 2011, 17:43 (Ref:2853627) | #16 | ||
Forum Host
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 6,529
|
Maybe they've just built a bloody quick car. I mean they do have the most talented designer perhaps since Colin Chapman working for them. Is the obvious solution not acceptable?
|
||
__________________
A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him "What's wrong?" Byte says "Parity error." Bartender nods and says "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." |
26 Mar 2011, 17:46 (Ref:2853630) | #17 | |
Racer
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 102
|
Well, the most talented designer since Colin Chapman hasn't exactly picked up too many titles in recent years. Before the 2010 trophies, it was 11 years since he last picked up any title, and 12 years since he grabbed a WCC.
|
|
|
26 Mar 2011, 17:47 (Ref:2853631) | #18 | |||
Forum Host
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 6,529
|
Quote:
They must be cheating. |
|||
__________________
A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him "What's wrong?" Byte says "Parity error." Bartender nods and says "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." |
26 Mar 2011, 17:51 (Ref:2853635) | #19 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,493
|
Newey is definitely a genius. For over a year now the Red Bull has appeared to hunker down to the point that it's almost mowing the track and nobody (the FIA, rival teams, fans) can fathom out how they're doing it.
|
|
|
26 Mar 2011, 18:00 (Ref:2853640) | #20 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,223
|
Two reasons that Red Bull are fast, they have Adrian Newey and Sebestian Vettel. Enough said I think.
|
|
|
26 Mar 2011, 18:07 (Ref:2853648) | #21 | |||
Forum Host
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 6,529
|
Quote:
I find it amazing that he thinks the FIA could be that stupid. But that was his theory anyway. |
|||
__________________
A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him "What's wrong?" Byte says "Parity error." Bartender nods and says "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." |
26 Mar 2011, 18:08 (Ref:2853650) | #22 | |
20KPINAL
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 29,853
|
You don't think the FIA are capable of stupidity?
|
|
|
26 Mar 2011, 18:12 (Ref:2853654) | #23 | ||
Forum Host
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 6,529
|
I don't doubt that at all. However could they really be that stupid? Y'know its entirely likely.
|
||
__________________
A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him "What's wrong?" Byte says "Parity error." Bartender nods and says "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." |
26 Mar 2011, 18:14 (Ref:2853656) | #24 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,493
|
Red Bull aren't really that fast though are they? In the wrong hands, the RBR is slower than the McLaren.
|
|
|
26 Mar 2011, 18:15 (Ref:2853657) | #25 | ||
Retired
20KPINAL
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 22,897
|
Quote:
That could make it bendy during the race (like a bi-metallic strip) and hard as iron for FIA checks. Maybe when the FIA allowed electrically adjustable front wings, someone in the Red Bull team said: 'What else can we do to adjust the wing electrically?' Who knows, maybe Newey even runs some exhaust gas through it! |
||
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Can Red Bull keep it up? | kmchow | Formula One | 12 | 20 Mar 2006 03:29 |
Red Bull - No Bull | Glen | Formula One | 48 | 11 Mar 2005 10:59 |
No bull? Red Bull Jordan! | slicktoast | Formula One | 38 | 23 Dec 2002 19:08 |