BTCC Rounds 16 - 18 Silverstone

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

I think what people are reacting to re Jade Edwards is the coverage of her appearance. At least, I hope it is, since I think time and effort is much better spent trying to revoke Andy Neate's racing license permanently than ramble on about Jade Edwards being uNwOrThY of a BTCC drive for contrived reasons.

The problem seems to be the media hype, running along nonsensical W Series logic that says that Alice Powell (1 point, GP3 2012, as a rookie) deserves another chance to be funded into F1 whilst Patric Niederhauser (2 wins, GP3 2012, as a rookie) apparently does not (or at least, F1 can continue to ignore him without any 'moral issues'), and this is all because Powell is a woman - the desire for these woman athletes to be worthy of the most elite men when those portrayed as such are clearly not worthy is what grates. It is an outlook that is clearly unfair and unconcerned about meritocracy (i.e. it ignores the entire ethos of sport), and very patronising to the woman concerned (although can make for nice sponsorship opportunities!), the men, and the spectators. I don't see why Jade Edwards doesn't deserve another shot where without ballast and hopefully without Andy Neate ruining her day she can scrap a little higher up, after all as has been pointed out some drivers won't be Ash Sutton's quality, and so long as they aren't actively endangering others (again, Neate, of whom enough can never be spoken until he is outright banned for good) then this doesn't need to be anyone's concern. After all, Ollie Jackson spent a good few seasons squabbling for top 15/20 finishes and now he's a race winner.

And I will not edit out that double negative.

Very good post, although as much W Series as BTCC.

I was very sceptical about W but then thought it well run. I just hope they find one good enough before they run out of money/patience. Nobody at the moment remotely good enough.

If you’re 2s off the ultimate pace you can look good against a field 3s or 4s off, but you’ll be shown up when you enter another series, like Jamie Chadwick this year where if you tripled her points she’d still be a clear last in her 4 car team.

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by Evantra

I would quite like to see how Richard John Neil gets on beside David for the BTCC races.

That's 2 colour commentators, it doesn't work.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

That's 2 colour commentators, it doesn't work.

You’re right. Just have RJN by himself then.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by bella

i don't know why it would wind people up. if the tv interviews were anything like the pre-racing interview she gave to itv and louise, she's a real credit to the series.

on another note, i'm watching the sunday coverage for the first time and tim harvey *is* saying cabbage, isn't he...

Is he saying cabbage?

Yes he is!

(My mother commented that's a funny name, cabbage - is that a car or a man?)

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

That's 2 colour commentators, it doesn't work.

Either way, wouldn't mind someone else having a try. Tim's seems to struggle at times, to say the least.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Either way, wouldn't mind someone else having a try. Tim's seems to struggle at times, to say the least.

Sounds like a retirement plan for Matt Neal... he's well spoken and knows what he's on about. Of course not being a black woman with ginger hair and an odd sexual orientation he probably doesn't tick the right boxes for a broadcast career...

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Sounds like a retirement plan for Matt Neal... he's well spoken and knows what he's on about. Of course not being a black woman with ginger hair and an odd sexual orientation he probably doesn't tick the right boxes for a broadcast career...

I never knew that about Tim Harvey

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Sounds like a retirement plan for Matt Neal... he's well spoken and knows what he's on about. Of course not being a black woman with ginger hair and an odd sexual orientation he probably doesn't tick the right boxes for a broadcast career...

Motorsport could indeed use a lot more females and those of colour. It's a bit of an echo chamber of well off white men at the moment.

Don't think that's quite the point you were making though

[pimmy]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Sounds like a retirement plan for Matt Neal... he's well spoken and knows what he's on about. Of course not being a black woman with ginger hair and an odd sexual orientation he probably doesn't tick the right boxes for a broadcast career...

You want Neal to commentate? Have you heard him on WTCR? Awful.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by pimmy

You want Neal to commentate? Have you heard him on WTCR? Awful.

Got that rigbt! Mind you the Biased Coulthard drone takes some beating.....

[Sodemo]

Get John Cleland back in the booth. His WTCC commentary was always worth a listen.

[S griffin]

Oh yes I was thinking the same thing. JC was as outspoken as James Hunt in the WTCC commentary. Quite witty too.

[WestHam92]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

I think what people are reacting to re Jade Edwards is the coverage of her appearance. At least, I hope it is, since I think time and effort is much better spent trying to revoke Andy Neate's racing license permanently than ramble on about Jade Edwards being uNwOrThY of a BTCC drive for contrived reasons.

The problem seems to be the media hype, running along nonsensical W Series logic that says that Alice Powell (1 point, GP3 2012, as a rookie) deserves another chance to be funded into F1 whilst Patric Niederhauser (2 wins, GP3 2012, as a rookie) apparently does not (or at least, F1 can continue to ignore him without any 'moral issues'), and this is all because Powell is a woman - the desire for these woman athletes to be worthy of the most elite men when those portrayed as such are clearly not worthy is what grates. It is an outlook that is clearly unfair and unconcerned about meritocracy (i.e. it ignores the entire ethos of sport), and very patronising to the woman concerned (although can make for nice sponsorship opportunities!), the men, and the spectators. I don't see why Jade Edwards doesn't deserve another shot where without ballast and hopefully without Andy Neate ruining her day she can scrap a little higher up, after all as has been pointed out some drivers won't be Ash Sutton's quality, and so long as they aren't actively endangering others (again, Neate, of whom enough can never be spoken until he is outright banned for good) then this doesn't need to be anyone's concern. After all, Ollie Jackson spent a good few seasons squabbling for top 15/20 finishes and now he's a race winner.

And I will not edit out that double negative.

She deserves to be in the championship just as much as the likes of Crees and Boardley. She has no less experience than them and is able to bring the required budget. Like most drivers, she'll take time to adjust to the car and the championship, so let's judge her performance after a few more races.

[S griffin]

She did well to keep pace with others, even if the layout at Silverstone helped in that regard. So I’d say she did a solid job all things considered

[steve_r]

I just caught up on the coverage last night.

The first couple of races were good, but Race 3 was awesome. The pressure that Ollie Jackson was under was immense, and I was delighted to see him win. I was expecting someone to get punted off, but they raced hard and clean.

Sutton's drive through the field was amazing.

Other points have been discussed at length already in here. Neate seemed to have behaved well in the first few rounds, but now is driving like an idiot.

Edwards did well, especially considering the max ballast in qualy and race 1 - it would be a shame if this was just a one-off. I have not seen any media coverage which portrays her as the offspring of Aryton Senna and Michelle Mouton, so I don't really understand the way that some people seem to be upset with her presence on the grid. A woman in BTCC is worthy of some media coverage - because this has been almost entirely male dominated for years, and it seemingly will continue that way.

[Sodemo]

I thought that it was "interesting" the amount of rear disturbance the Toyota seemed to have on its rear wing at top speed, (intentional or not). Not sure if that would stall the wing...? Other cars may have the same, but I just noticed it on the Silverstone footage.

[BertMk2]

There's great quote from Jade in a TCT article:

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2020...d-btcc-desire/

Basically the good bit is:

Originally Posted by Jade Edwards

I made a move on Andy Neate with a few laps to go but then two corners later, he drove like Andy Neate and we dropped back again.

[porsche962fan]

Turks again complains about straight line speed , maybe a dig at TOCA for too low boost ?

wonder if "other cars" he means Infiniti

We could do with a bit more straightline speed though because some of the other cars had a big advantage over us in that area.

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

There's great quote from Jade in a TCT article:

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2020...d-btcc-desire/

Basically the good bit is:

That's good!

[S griffin]

To be fair his first race pass was aggressive, but just about on. Him trying to squeeze her in R3 was worse

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

Turks again complains about straight line speed , maybe a dig at TOCA for too low boost ?

wonder if "other cars" he means Infiniti

It seemed on the onboards that the BMWs were slightly pulling away from the Infiniti but then again I don't have any speed trap data or anything beyond my own perception on this.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

It seemed on the onboards that the BMWs were slightly pulling away from the Infiniti but then again I don't have any speed trap data or anything beyond my own perception on this.

The speed trap figures show that, on the whole, there was not much between the BMWs and the Q50s over the weekend.

[Sodemo]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

Turks again complains about straight line speed , maybe a dig at TOCA for too low boost ?

wonder if "other cars" he means Infiniti

Carrying effecively 100kg of combined ballast will do that I would have thought.

[bella]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

There's great quote from Jade in a TCT article:

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2020...d-btcc-desire/

loved her pre-race 3 interview on the grid as well - she's diplomatic but says exactly what happened. doesn't get into the thinly veiled handbags that some of the others tend to resort to.

i think from a tv viewer perspective we've got a really great grid - lots of eloquent drivers who are comfortable in front of a camera and corporate friendly whilst retaining their personalities. they're mostly pretty grounded and relatable, and several seem to have no issue with admitting when they've made a mistake too.

not all, mind

[codename_47]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Sounds like a retirement plan for Matt Neal... he's well spoken and knows what he's on about. Of course not being a black woman with ginger hair and an odd sexual orientation he probably doesn't tick the right boxes for a broadcast career...

This is the second time you have posted saying LGBTQI+ lifestyles are "wrong" and I'm not sure why no-one has called you out on it

This is what people like Jade Edwards and the Hamiltons have to fight.
Not only are there the out and out racists/sexists/homophobes who will deny them oppurtunities, there are also the closet ones who will decry their performances yet hide their attacks behind every other excuse they can think of bar the obvious

With Jade Edwards, I'm not sure why trying to give a platform to a female driver is supposed to be a bad thing
Plenty of other drivers sneak in at the back of the BTCC grid and aren't expected to set the world on fire at their first meeting.
For Jade, I'm sure 2020 is more of an experience gathering affair than it is anything else, so fair play to her.
I'm sure she would've appreciated the oppurtunity to have gained even more laps without being Neate'd too
And if just one other young female karter is motivated to not give up their career at 13/14 (as that's the age girl karters seem to vanish, for whatever reason) because they now realise it is possible to get to the BTCC or some other high level motorsport series, then the spotlight by ITV on JE will have done its job

As for Nic, I'm not even sure if he ever expects to do anything but enjoying his time as a racing driver in whatever position he can bring home
Considering the challenges he has faced, just being on the grid is enough of an achievement for him, anything else is a bonus