Supercars Gen 3 (2022)

[Racing Harz]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Yes, factory teams are explicitly banned. GT3 is customer racing.

MAybe you should visit the Spa 24h and count the factory teams.
Hint: There are many.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

It would seem not. It's no secret that the likes of the Nurburgring 24 hour, DTM, IMSA GTD and so forth are full of unofficial manufacturer backed teams.

Of course they get money, drivers and other support from manufacturers.

[bludvl_x19]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Yes, factory teams are explicitly banned. GT3 is customer racing.

It's supposed to be the same in TCR too but then they allowed Cyan to have a complete 4 car factory team and they didn't sell a car to a real customer so...

You're right, they are explicitly banned.

But who are Manthey Racing?

[bathurst77]

So if in 10 years time there is no "family ICE sedan" or hatch suitable to be ATC/Supercar silhouette, maybe they go historic look alike.

Modern Gen 3 type space frame purpose built race car
with mix and match of commercially built new crate engines Front engine, 4turbo, 6 v8, or rotary running green fuel, h pattern 5 - 6 speed box, rwd, rhd..
and fibre glass shells that look like modified Falcons commodores a9x, chargers.... camaro or mustang etc - bit like milder funny cars

Rather than make all engines the same power and torque, use old fashioned tyre, and brake size, car weight and aero to keep different engine and body style competitive.

We could end up with light 4 cyl pretend "bluebird/bmws" or 6 xu1 fast across the top, then v8 XB/XE/EF/BA, A9X/VL/VR/VE or 6/v8 chargers blowing down conrod... making awesome noise smell and flames... passing and repassing

More interesting then mustang vs camaro look alikes with same chasis and engines tweaked to be the same.
If its fast, loud spectacular and close competition, people will watch, and if lots of people watch, sponsors will pay for signs.
And if sponsors pay, teams will have money to build cars and race. And these space frames go for years offsetting costs.

[GTRMagic]

I bet you can fit a Tesla Model3 around a Gen3 chassis skeleton...

[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I bet you can fit a Tesla Model3 around a Gen3 chassis skeleton...

As long as its not a bloody twin cab mini truck (no they are NOT "utes")

[bathurst77]

moved to whos on 1st

[GTRMagic]

So.. with MSR and now T18 assembling their own Gen3 chassis..

..does this now move on up the timeframe at 888RE to get the new chassis to Boost?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

..does this now move on up the timeframe at 888RE to get the new chassis to Boost?

Just kind of irrelevant when there isn't a TRC available for him to buy.

[bloggs]

With Gen3 coming online next year, are they still going to use the Milwaukee battery powered rattle guns? there has not been anything that I have read of late about it. Anyone know anything? GTR?

[V8 Fireworks]

Ford Performance global head of aerodynamics was present at the VCAT test and was unsatisfied that the procedure and results established aerodynamic parity. Ford Performance has therefore rejected the results.
https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/gen3-aer...ng-after-vcat/

Concerning news!

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Ford Performance global head of aerodynamics was present at the VCAT test and was unsatisfied that the procedure and results established aerodynamic parity. Ford Performance has therefore rejected the results.
https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/gen3-aer...ng-after-vcat/

Concerning news!

Supercars demonstrating their bias towards the GM product already?.......doesn't surprise me somehow.

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Supercars demonstrating their bias towards the GM product already?.......doesn't surprise me somehow.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Care to elaborate on why Ford Performance shouldn't be concerned?

Ford Performance were very unhappy with the multiple cuts made to their Mustang in 2019 (not to mention the lead added to the roof), a car designed in good faith to the letter of regulations and fully approved initially, and the multiple concessions granted to the rival in 2019. Hence it is only logical that they should be cautious about making sure their car is not unduely penalised again.

We are disappointed that we have had to make changes to the cars, however we respect the Supercars technical department and will comply. The changes to the Ford Mustang Supercar are specific to the rear wing and undertray. Most notably, the size of the rear-wing endplates will be reduced, while the Gurney flap will be reduced in height and undertray in length.

We will make these changes ahead of the next round so we can quickly understand the affect they’ll have on Mustang to give us the best chance of maintaining our pace. Mustang is run by some of the best teams in the series and that’s not technical parity, it is the sporting performance of the teams that race the car.

Our car was signed off and homologated by Supercars ahead of the 2019 season, however whilst we understand these changes are in the interest of the sport, we expect to run the rest of the season on track unchanged from this specification.

- Mark Rushbrook, Ford Performance Global Director
https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/04/23...g-aero-tweaks/

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Ford Performance were very unhappy with the multiple cuts made to their Mustang in 2019 (not to mention the lead added to the roof), a car designed in good faith to the letter of regulations and fully approved initially, and the multiple concessions granted to the rival in 2019. Hence it is only logical that they should be cautious about making sure their car is not unduely penalised again.

Please watch the video of Ryan Story on Enforcer and the Dude.

They built that car with FULL knowledge it was not in parity and having already built the parts that would eventually be ratified in mid-2019.

Mark Rushbrook's song and dance was just to justify the $30m or so they spent to destroy the rulebook.

But why should we be surprised that billionaire and professional grey-area exploiter Roger Penkse did that?

He does it everywhere.