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Old 18 Feb 2008, 11:35 (Ref:2131702)   #1
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BRDC Historic Sportscar Championship

A series I am particularly fond of and which sadly in recent years has imploded for a whole host of reasons which are irrelevant to this thread. The new managers of it are the people behind the successful Woodcote Trophy and - in common with Masters - are sticklers for period correctness.
As such they are bringing forward the cut off date from Dec 60 to Dec 59.

Does this eliminate the Cooper Monaco's, Lotus 17 with 1220 engines, and Lola Mk1's? Lotus XI's I think are still going to be ok with 1500 engines but not sure. XK120's with 3.8 engines and discs will be banished to the paddock.

Further evidence that promotors are waking up to the fact that the majority want races with straight cars...... We should applaud them and Masters for taking the stance.
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Old 18 Feb 2008, 11:42 (Ref:2131707)   #2
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Those of us who support Historic Racing [Genuinely] are very glad that Masters have taken issues seriously,and yes,they should be applauded,loudly!
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Old 18 Feb 2008, 11:44 (Ref:2131709)   #3
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but lets not forget Legends who are running this series as well for inclusion on the roll of honour
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Old 18 Feb 2008, 11:48 (Ref:2131713)   #4
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but lets not forget Legends who are running this series as well for inclusion on the roll of honour

Absolutly.
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Old 18 Feb 2008, 13:19 (Ref:2131780)   #5
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I am pleased you are all pleased.Jury is out until you see what cars are on the grid and how they are filled.That goes for all organisers.There will be continuation cars,fakes,bent engines etc on the grids because as with the rise in circuit costs they have to cover overheads.Its money and nothing else as why should they subsidise a lot of people playing with old crocks.There are no sponsors and lets face it why should there be.Its not gents driving with these people ,they have a biz to run,although I may make an exception with Duncan who unlike the Masters gang people will try to push the limits.
I hope you are all correct in you hopes but I dont believe in tooth fairies or Father Christmas
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Old 18 Feb 2008, 13:24 (Ref:2131788)   #6
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So JR if you agree Duncan is a "good guy" then it should be a good series. However I dont want to get into the politics too much rather then try and work out which cars are going to miss the cut with the new (but infinitely more logical) cut off date.
If the Lola etc are excluded it will be very interesting to see where they end up because they will be uncompetitive in pre 66.
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Old 18 Feb 2008, 16:50 (Ref:2131925)   #7
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Ask him and he is a good bloke but people will lean on him.In this case they may be in for a bit of a shock.lets hope so.
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Old 18 Feb 2008, 16:52 (Ref:2131927)   #8
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it could be fun to see some of the Cooper Monaco owner's throwing their toys out the pram.....!
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Old 18 Feb 2008, 18:28 (Ref:2132003)   #9
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Forgive my ignorance - to which Duncan are you referring?
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Old 18 Feb 2008, 21:27 (Ref:2132110)   #10
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Hope the series carries on successfully. It's been one of my favourites (okay I have a lot of favourites) in the last 3 years I've been here. Some of the cars on my lottery win list are definitely in the grids on a regular basis and it makes for pretty good watching.
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Cooper Monaco is absolutely a 1959 car! (the others I am not so sure of).
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Old 19 Feb 2008, 20:10 (Ref:2132829)   #13
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Checking David Pratleys book this date would admit the early Lola Mk 1s with FWA engines, as the organisers are known to be sticklers for authenticity then the return of a proper 1100 class would be a vast improvement as many of the 1220 and 1500 engines were fitted to Loti, Lolas, Coopers etc (with the actual encouragement of the then organisers - to close the speed differential!) long after period. In the same vein some of the Cooper Monacos and Lotus 15s were two and a half litres in period - these were banned and mandated at two litres in order to maintain the competitiveness of the Listers etc - so history becomes distorted yet again......
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Seem to remember the only original 2.5 litre engine 15 went to Aus to a man named Salmon? When it returned ,Driven by a Dane?,they made him reduce to 2 litre engine.This was about 5 years ago.The Venebles gang were involved in the deal
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Seem to remember the only original 2.5 litre engine 15 went to Aus to a man named Salmon? When it returned ,Driven by a Dane?,they made him reduce to 2 litre engine.This was about 5 years ago.The Venebles gang were involved in the deal
This was the Graham Hill car - the main problem was that a couple of drivers from the Midlands known to Simon saw it for sale in Oz and asked James Beckett if they could run it in the BRDC Historic Sportscar Championship.
He said they couldn't so they were understandably a bit hacked off when Jac turned up with it at the BGP support race a few years ago.... I guess the issue asto whether it can run or not with the 2.5 is dependant asto what year Graham Hill ran it with a 2.5 litre - does this also mean that 17's will have to run with 750cc engines as per Le Mans?

I think its a good thing and if Lola's and Lotus 11's etc are slower than they have been so what - that was how they were in period
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