Supercars Gen 3 (2022)

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Looks like no more sedans for Gen3 according to Mr Seamer.

That approach will revolve around the reports that say GM will axe the Camaro and GM have made no final declaration on that to this date that I am aware of. GM have two problems, no suitable chassis platform until 2025, falling sales and the Camaro reaching it end of use date by GM standards according to this article which is over 6 months old.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/06...vrolet-camaro/

Until GM make an official comment it is only supposition but this link adds fuel to the fire.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/06...vrolet-camaro/

And this link shows why OEMS are in a race to go electric because they have no option. While not directly bearing on the Camaro issue it is indicative of what is driving manufacturers to ramp up BEV's, they simply have no choice so vehicles such as the Camaro have a rocky future short term and inevitably no future long term.

Some would say why does the UK decision impact the Australian racing scene, it would be a fair assumption that international OEM's can see the writing on the wall, Milan had had quite a few days of total bans on IC cars in the city in recent times and this sort of stuff will continue to push the direction the OEM's are moving in. What they do is what we will drive, QED really.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51366123


I think the bigger question is whether Gen 3 will actually happen in it's proposed form at all but I am only a keyboard warrior as pointed out to me recently.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Smart!

Sedans are on the nose. It's either hatchback (already covered by TCR), ute (already covered by SuperUtes), two door coupe or SUV that remain popular styles of vehicle.

For whatever reason SUV racing has been ruled out, so that leaves two door coupes as the relevant market segment.

We already have SUV racing after a fashion, although not currently Australia relevant other than the availability of the road going version.... a one make (Jaguar electric SUV ) series, The FIA sanctioned series supporting Formula E Electric Racing.

Billed as the world’s first all-electric production based international race series, the Jaguar I-Pace eTrophy.

For the first time in the history of the ABB FIA Formula E Championship, we're welcoming the arrival of our first official support series, the Jaguar I-Pace eTROPHY. Taking place ahead of 10 rounds of the Formula E Championship in eight global cities, up to 20 entrants will compete for a prize fund in excess of £500,000.

https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/champ...aguar-e-trophy

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

BMW 8 series is coincidentally nearly the same size and shape as a Ford Mustang, likewise Mercedes E class coupe... wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

Wasn't Jamie driving one with the boss on the weekend....

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Casper

That approach will revolve around the reports that say GM will axe the Camaro and GM have made no final declaration on that to this date that I am aware of. GM have two problems, no suitable chassis platform until 2025, falling sales and the Camaro reaching it end of use date by GM standards according to this article which is over 6 months old.

The article I linked talks about Corvette rather than Camaro. The way Mr Seamer talks in it, sounds like they had a good think about going the GT3 route but consider those cars too expensive and are looking at doing something lower cost but maybe based on the same or similar road cars.

Originally Posted by Casper

I think the bigger question is whether Gen 3 will actually happen in it's proposed form at all but I am only a keyboard warrior as pointed out to me recently.

I think that's a perfectly valid question but whether or not it happens won't be clear for some time yet. They need to come up with the concept and have teams, manufacturers etc engaged with it first.

[bluesport]

No more commodores thank goodness.

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by bluesport

No more commodores thank goodness.

Terrible comment to make.
Im sure we would love to continue the COmmodore and Falcon rivalry.
I guess this is when the series finally looses its spark???

thank gawd for MotoGP

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Terrible comment to make.
Im sure we would love to continue the COmmodore and Falcon rivalry.
I guess this is when the series finally looses its spark???

thank gawd for MotoGP

You're dreamin, there were none in the 12hr and the race was much better for it.

[benny41]

Originally Posted by E.B

We already have SUV racing after a fashion, although not currently Australia relevant other than the availability of the road going version.... a one make (Jaguar electric SUV ) series, The FIA sanctioned series supporting Formula E Electric Racing.

Billed as the world’s first all-electric production based international race series, the Jaguar I-Pace eTrophy.

https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/champ...aguar-e-trophy

As much as it might be an "ugly" series to watch it might be the only way to keep manufactures interested.

It could be an interesting concept to have suv style bodies over a spec or similar spaceframe chassis, let the engines be what the manufacturer dictates (4 cyl , v6 ,v8 electic ) and use bop to keep it all in line.

Other than that supercars need to prepare for a world with no manufacturer backing and adjust accordingly.

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by bluesport

You're dreamin, there were none in the 12hr and the race was much better for it.

There was one and thats why the race was soo good.
No Falcons though

[one five five]

The Speedcafe article uses words like “2-door sports car” and “GT inspired” to describe the possible next rules package

How can you keto awarding the “Australian Touring Car Championship” title to that?

[Mixer]

Up to 1992 a great majority of the ATCC winners were 2 door sporty cars. Mustang, Camaro, Torana, RX7, BMW, Sierra, Skylines....

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

There was one and thats why the race was soo good.
No Falcons though

Fortunately I must have blinked and missed it.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by one five five

The Speedcafe article uses words like “2-door sports car” and “GT inspired” to describe the possible next rules package

How can you keto awarding the “Australian Touring Car Championship” title to that?

I guess the corvette will be ruled out due to it being rear engine, as will many others if this is the case.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by bluesport

I guess the corvette will be ruled out due to it being rear engine, as will many others if this is the case.

Me being pedantic, it is mid engined but I know what you are saying. There ain't no way a front mounted engine is going into the new Corvette.

I pointed out a few years ago here that SC's was facing the problems that have now arisen and even Peckstar agreed with me and we never agreed on anything!

The near future is going to be a huge gestation period for motor sport that has never occurred before and it might take a long while to wade through it or the sport may not survive except in very small niche terms, purely speculation on my part but realistically possible. There are those who deny Zero Emission cars are actually going to be a real thing in mass numbers and those who can't wait for it all to happen with hybrids being a passing transition into the full Zero Emission world of motoring. When all that gets sorted out motor racing might have a direction to go in.

Pessimism or optimism...I don't know TTTT

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Casper

Me being pedantic, it is mid engined but I know what you are saying. There ain't no way a front mounted engine is going into the new Corvette.

I pointed out a few years ago here that SC's was facing the problems that have now arisen and even Peckstar agreed with me and we never agreed on anything!

The near future is going to be a huge gestation period for motor sport that has never occurred before and it might take a long while to wade through it or the sport may not survive except in very small niche terms, purely speculation on my part but realistically possible. There are those who deny Zero Emission cars are actually going to be a real thing in mass numbers and those who can't wait for it all to happen with hybrids being a passing transition into the full Zero Emission world of motoring. When all that gets sorted out motor racing might have a direction to go in.

Pessimism or optimism...I don't know TTTT

My bad, I should have said the corvette not being front engined.

If SC isn''t prepared to adopt a different parity formula it will restrict the category to sports coupes I guess.