Supercars Gen 3 (2022)

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Have you even driven a late model Honda Civic Type R? The 80-120 km/hr time is within 1 tenth of a second of a HSV GTS that has nearly twice as much power!

By most measures it's quite a fast car. The power-to-weight is only 3% less than a VF Commodore SS-V which has a dramatically larger engine.

As a touring car, a Type R or a GTI is relevant to what we actually drive and enjoy around towns and on our favourite tight & twisty mountain backroad full of hairpin bends.

A Type R or GTI may be what YOU actually drive and enjoy but I would suggest the local school daily drop off indicates the Super Utes should be the thing.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by sizzle

A Type R or GTI may be what YOU actually drive and enjoy but I would suggest the local school daily drop off indicates the Super Utes should be the thing.

That's true!

I wouldn't be averse to a SuperUtes silhouette series with control running gear -- at least it would have more than two brands in it! You could bring in Toyota, Mazda, bring back Nissan, Isuzu, Volkswagen etc. It would be good for the Australian [Touring Car, strike that] Utility Championship.

Just for the love of God, use the single-cab or space cab RWD bodies and not the dual-cab 4x4 versions!

Perhaps, make sure the engine regulations have BOP and are flexible. So you could have a quad-rotor in the Mazda BT50, a souped-up EA888 four-popper in the Amarok, a LS in the Chevy Colorado... Variety is the key! And, sure let the entrants run a turbo-diesel if they can get the required power too.

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by Casper

Enjoy it while you can because it has not much time left. I wonder what those who enjoy it will watch then.

Definitely not TCR.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Casper

Enjoy it while you can because it has not much time left. I wonder what those who enjoy it will watch then.

And yet people said the same thing 25 years ago...

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Mixer

And yet people said the same thing 25 years ago...

Your comment reflects many who refuse to acknowledge the huge permanent changes taking place but carry on and we might be able to revisit and quote you in five years time. The Holden and Ford factories that supplied the vehicles seem to have vaporised as well but I do like your optimism.

[Compromised]

Can anyone explain the current situation in regards to paddle shift? Every other day a new article pops up "driver A against paddle shift", "ex driver B says paddle shift will ruin sport" etc. yet the consensus seems to be paddle shift WILL be part of GEN3.

Why?

Roland and Supercars themselves are the only ones offering positivity on the subject, usually citing cost cutting, naturally a big concern for T8 lol.

So what's the deal? There doesn't appear to be any affiliation between T8 and Xtrac so self interest doesn't seem likely

[Umai Naa]

It's a beat-up.

Paddleshift won't detract nor add to the show.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

It's a beat-up.

Paddleshift won't detract nor add to the show.

Wot he said. Next thing is they will want to go back to drum brakes as well, vacuum windscreen wipers would be good as well.

[Mattracer]

I really reject the idea of paddle shift not just in Supercars but in any category. Watching the footage of the H- pattern shifting you see the skill of using the engine braking to balance and/or slow the car. Also from the tv viewing perspective it’s much more interesting and engaging to watch. The technique of some drivers such as Skaife and Johnson skipping gears on the downshifts vs others such as Murphy for example who appeared to go back through the gears in sequence and his left foot braking techniques. I know the risk of engine detonation from over-revving or a missed gear is a concern in the costs department but that risk is worth having in my view. Puts them on edge where their techniques can shine. There is simply awesome footage of Senna at Adelaide and Suzuka qualifying in 1991 and if anyone needed to see a masterclass on how to use a manual gearbox (and how to actually drive a race car, period) it’s right there. I urge you to see it. You’ll watch it over and over- it’s mesmerising. Something lacking so much in racing now.

[one five five]

The irony being at the time no one marvelled or cared at how Senna changed gear on that lap.

Did Nigel Mansell complain that he wouldn’t be able to make a mistake changing gear or it was too easy when John Barnard presented him with paddles for the 1989 Brazilian GP? Admittedly it didn’t work great, but he won the race and I doubt the fans were whinging that it wasn’t a h-pattern

This whole thing would be a non-issue if the likes of Percat had concentrated on their driving instead of mouthing off about technical regulations that shouldn’t concern them.

[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by Matt K

TCR Australia is just some marginal series, no big sponsors involved, no big teams involved. What's so interesting in this?.

I would argue that Supercheap and GRM are big names.
Im not saying VASC has no place and should end, my point is the TC in ATCC is touring cars, which were traditionally modified versions of mainstream production cars. Supercars are really sports sedans, which were purpose built chassis with "look alike" road car bodies.

In the 70s we had a booming sports sedan champs, with the moffstang, super falcon, charger, wild toranas and monaros and other goodies. They big tough crude loud and exciting. everything supercars claims now.

And we had touring cars, which were "closer to stock" actual production cars albeit highly modified, with pro and part time teams.

We had both then, why not now? Award Aust sports sedan champ to supercars and ATCC to tcr. How does VASC suffer if they are switched to sports sedan list? what pain will they feel? Supercars have buried and ignored ATCC title anyway, they dont want or care very much.
But giving the title atcc to tcr might even get more cars or sponsors in that class. win-win.

I dont see it as us v them, I want to see ALL classes maximised, nd the best fit titles for each class. In a perfect world there would be some form or other of quality well supported motor racing every weekend (Ok take xmas week off if you must)

[Mixer]

Traditionally a marriage was between a man and a woman....

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[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Traditionally a marriage was between a man and a woman....

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What does my relationship with Fido have to do with it? I love her and she loves me, as long as i take her for walkies

[tux]

Video of the new Camaro engine being tested. Looks like its in a Trans am car? Sounds good imo.

https://www.supercars.com/videos/cha...o-gen3-engine/

Im not into all the technical details so im sure theres an easy answer (probably cost reduction?) but id have presumed it would have been easier to take the current Supercars engine used in the Commadore and fit it to the Camaro than to need a new engine alongside a new car, no?

[TWRv12]

Originally Posted by tux

Video of the new Camaro engine being tested. Looks like its in a Trans am car? Sounds good imo.

https://www.supercars.com/videos/cha...o-gen3-engine/

Im not into all the technical details so im sure theres an easy answer (probably cost reduction?) but id have presumed it would have been easier to take the current Supercars engine used in the Commadore and fit it to the Camaro than to need a new engine alongside a new car, no?

Supposed to be cheaper and probably have exhaust similar to current ones