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Old 9 Feb 2022, 21:42 (Ref:4098002)   #61
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Personally I think kyvat is a way overrated driver, or to be more accurate not enough fast/good to run in a top f1 team like redbull.
I've said it before but people said exactly the same thing about Buemi - the most successful driver in 10 years of the WEC.

You don't have to be an elite tier F1 driver to have a fantastic career in sportscars.
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Old 9 Feb 2022, 23:09 (Ref:4098008)   #62
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I've said it before but people said exactly the same thing about Buemi - the most successful driver in 10 years of the WEC.

You don't have to be an elite tier F1 driver to have a fantastic career in sportscars.

different environment, context etc... sportscars is a whole different world compared to f1. Buemi managed to win so much also because was always with toyota and from to 2018 to 2022 had to realistically compete only against #7 (excluding some 2019-2020 races when toyota was out of the picture due handicap system). A lot of other ex f1 drivers shown to be good average pro lmp2 drivers and no much more, nothing against him, but probably kyvat will be one of them.
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Old 10 Feb 2022, 00:34 (Ref:4098017)   #63
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different environment, context etc... sportscars is a whole different world compared to f1. Buemi managed to win so much also because was always with toyota and from to 2018 to 2022 had to realistically compete only against #7 (excluding some 2019-2020 races when toyota was out of the picture due handicap system). A lot of other ex f1 drivers shown to be good average pro lmp2 drivers and no much more, nothing against him, but probably kyvat will be one of them.
i mean, the biggest transition is that the f1 race distance he'll do in the car is just a part of the whole race distance. and then in wec, he'll get back in and do another one. there's a lot less car management, but for the double stints, a similar amount of tyre management depending on the circuit. he'll need to get used to compromising his ultimate pace in favour of a car that his teammates are comfortable with, and if he's qualifying, not having much time to practice for that in the FP sessions. he'll adapt to traffic management, for a good racing driver it's not exactly rocket science.

he's a smart guy, still young in ex-f1 drivers in sportscars terms, and i'm sure he knows it's a good opportunity to make himself look very good for the following year. he's got a tough act to follow in de vries, but then again i'm sure you'll say he's probably pretty average too...
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Old 10 Feb 2022, 09:22 (Ref:4098047)   #64
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i mean, the biggest transition is that the f1 race distance he'll do in the car is just a part of the whole race distance. and then in wec, he'll get back in and do another one. there's a lot less car management, but for the double stints, a similar amount of tyre management depending on the circuit. he'll need to get used to compromising his ultimate pace in favour of a car that his teammates are comfortable with, and if he's qualifying, not having much time to practice for that in the FP sessions. he'll adapt to traffic management, for a good racing driver it's not exactly rocket science.

he's a smart guy, still young in ex-f1 drivers in sportscars terms, and i'm sure he knows it's a good opportunity to make himself look very good for the following year. he's got a tough act to follow in de vries, but then again i'm sure you'll say he's probably pretty average too...
it depends by the meaning you give to the word "average"
in my post it wasn't a negative thing... I explain better, an oreca 07 on actual spec (ballasted, LD bodywork, detuned engine etc...) can't realistically go faster than 3.27 at le mans, so once a pro driver is able to reach performance limit of the car, it doesn't matter if he's a ex f1 driver or not, he simply can't do better... that's why I think kyvat will be on the same level of an "average" pro driver driving in lmp2, as other ex f1 drivers already shown to be.
It's not he is going to run in 3.25 because he's a former f1 driver.
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Old 10 Feb 2022, 11:15 (Ref:4098060)   #65
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it’s not about ultimate pace in a p2, especially not now, so i think just limiting your assessment to a drivers best flat out lap at le mans is kind of short sighted really. there’s way more to being an outstanding pro driver than how fast they can rag a car. it’s also all the other stuff that manufacturers see - a rene rast-esque get in it and immediately be flat out is great, but that’s not where it ends.

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Old 10 Feb 2022, 11:54 (Ref:4098062)   #66
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it’s not about ultimate pace in a p2, especially not now, so i think just limiting your assessment to a drivers best flat out lap at le mans is kind of short sighted really. there’s way more to being an outstanding pro driver than how fast they can rag a car. it’s also all the other stuff that manufacturers see - a rene rast-esque get in it and immediately be flat out is great, but that’s not where it ends.

but what do i know

Sorry but I think your way to judge my statement is actually quite superficial, I didn't limit my assessment to le mans, I used le mans example because I can't remember lmp2 qualifying times of other tracks.
Once a pro driver skills overcome by far the potential of the car he's driving, as happens to most of pro lmp2 drivers, it's hard to go over an "average" level since car can't go any faster anyhow.
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i mean, you’ve taken my point which is clearly “ultimate pace is a lousy way of judging whether a p2 driver is any good or not” and decided it’s about me calling you out for choosing le mans as a decider rather than actually looking at what i’m trying to say.

we all know once you reach a certain pace with p2s beyond that it’s all about the engineers making marginal gains. those marginal gains aren’t just limited to the car, they come from the drivers being masters of traffic management, compromise and tyre gains. so why simplify it to single lap pace? that’s what i don’t understand about your statement.

but again, what do i know.
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Old 10 Feb 2022, 13:00 (Ref:4098067)   #68
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I agree with the fact that a driver running for teams like united, jota or WRT will benefit of team engineers skills and know how and the same driver with the same car will probably get better results racing with those S-tier teams than weaker teams, but in general I think that a pro driver, provided he already proved to be reliable about traffic and car managment, should be judged by how fast he can run. So, at the end, if you don't like the word "average" I could change the sentence telling that I think kyvat will probably be in the same league of other lmp2 pro drivers and not likely better for the reasons explained above.
Just my opinion.
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Old 10 Feb 2022, 14:49 (Ref:4098081)   #69
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Judging by the tweets of Renger van der Zande and Pipo Derani reacting to the new Cadi, I think we can assume they've got contracts for 2023.
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K-Mag back to F1 means bye bye to Peugeot. They still have six contracted drivers, so will be interesting to see if they replace their reserve or go get another driver. No shortage of candidates.

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I understand he wants to be in F1, but another season in a tail end team that has just sacked its title sponsor instead of a multi year drive for a factory team in Hypercar?

Better hope Haas is better this year than last.
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I understand he wants to be in F1, but another season in a tail end team that has just sacked its title sponsor instead of a multi year drive for a factory team in Hypercar?

Better hope Haas is better this year than last.

Hass has been one of the team that has run the less during the last test in Barcelone (not ilpressive for a team that was supposed to work on this new generation of car for the last two years). They will miss the first day of testing in Bahrein for logistic issue. Not good again to understand their new car. They have just lost their titel sponsor. Honnestly, I don't see the point to join this team that will probably been the last one again this year when you have a works contract with Peugeot and the possibility to do one off with Ganassi in IMSA. If you look the statement that he was making last year, he does this opposite this year.
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It's a "multi-year contract" - albeit I'm not sure that team is stable enough to guarantee anything like that.

But let's not kid ourselves, F1 is stronger than it's ever been right now. Some major pull in being 1/20 on that grid. Even if you're 20th.

But you'd imagine that bridge back to Peugeot in the future is burnt.
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It's a "multi-year contract" - albeit I'm not sure that team is stable enough to guarantee anything like that.

But let's not kid ourselves, F1 is stronger than it's ever been right now. Some major pull in being 1/20 on that grid. Even if you're 20th.

But you'd imagine that bridge back to Peugeot in the future is burnt.
I am not that certain, Peugeot is clearly not where they want to be as of now, so expecting a driver to stick around for another year before having the chance to go for the top, is a bit much.
F1 has always been K-Mags dream, due to his father. Seeing Perez get a late surge to a top team after many years in a near bankrupt team, gives hope to that dream.
I think, and hope, that Peugeot understands this, and should they have a seat available and Magnussen is done with F1, they could go together again.
However I do not see Peugeot making a seat available for him (by kicking an existing driver out)
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Old 10 Mar 2022, 17:34 (Ref:4101977)   #75
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If a driver prefers stay in f1 and finish in last places all the time instead of stay in a more competitive sportscars environment where he could run for the overall victory, this proves that no matter what, F1 is still a big and separate world apart in motorspor. Peugeot should hire derani btw, he revealed from years to be one of best prototype driver around, for sure he shown to be much better than magnussen.
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