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Old 18 Jan 2022, 07:55 (Ref:4094213)   #16
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Exactly, and that was before he was an employee of Supercars.



The way Supercars controls its media has been ridiculous, more ridiculous that the “fans” seem to lap it up and congratulate the commentators on what a good (PR) job they’re doing…
Unlike say the AFL or Cricket Australia, let alone ahem... Tennis

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Old 18 Jan 2022, 10:49 (Ref:4094237)   #17
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Making a comparison to NRL Phil Gould (9) and Paul Kent (Fox) are heavily critical of clubs,coaches,players and administrators on a near daily basis when they deserve it.Gives them credibility with the audience.
The greatest cricket commentator of all time Richie Benaud also had no hesitation in criticising players or administrators.I have probably heard more genuine criticism of aspects of the sport of cricket in the last 6 weeks on Fox then I heard in the last 15 years I watched Supercars on tv (I gave up watching Supercars on tv about 6 years ago largely because the commentary was so cliched and vanilla).
It seems that people like Supercars are convinced if you just feed the audience promotional gibberish disguised as commentary people will believe every word and that’s all they want to hear.Maybe those people are all that’s left watching.
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Old 18 Jan 2022, 22:17 (Ref:4094332)   #18
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Do those organisations produce the TV broadcasts for themselves? Do they employ the commentary team?
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Old 19 Jan 2022, 22:49 (Ref:4094475)   #19
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Follow the money ... ratings/advertising ..... announcers that cause viewers to turn off would be a factor.
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Old 20 Jan 2022, 08:36 (Ref:4094526)   #20
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Follow the money ... ratings/advertising ..... announcers that cause viewers to turn off would be a factor.
Those factors show that commentators with strong and honest opinions are the ones that viewers want to watch.
What causes viewers to turn off are “commentators” with nothing but bland,uncritical non opinions.The role of media is not to stroke the egos of competitors.
Sports bodies who want to relentlessly control the message underestimate the intelligence of their audience and their ability to see through bs.
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Old 20 Jan 2022, 10:06 (Ref:4094547)   #21
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Those factors show that commentators with strong and honest opinions are the ones that viewers want to watch.
Unless those commentators happen to be British, with a strong opinion that Hamilton was unjustly denied the title?

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On the other hand Johnny Herbert,Damon Hill and from what I’ve read in the past month Andrew Benson look at everything with the Union Jack obscuring their judgement.
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Old 20 Jan 2022, 10:41 (Ref:4094548)   #22
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Unless those commentators happen to be British, with a strong opinion that Hamilton was unjustly denied the title?
You don’t have to agree with every opinion you hear.As a matter of fact it would be crazy if you do.
However it adds to the entertainment if the coverage has a range of dissenting opinions rather than all plain vanilla.
Yes I think Herbert was almost comically biased towards Hamilton (the look Felipe Massa shot him in the paddock show post race at Monza said more than words ever could) but that is better than the expert commentator getting no more insightful than saying endlessly “the best in the business driving at the very top of their game”.
In the case you mentioned the opinions of Herbert and Hill were balanced by those of Brundle,di Resta,Rosberg,Button and in the case of Monza Massa.
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In the case you mentioned the opinions of Herbert and Hill were balanced by those of Brundle,di Resta,Rosberg,Button and in the case of Monza Massa.
So when you look across the range of British reporters, there is balance.

At least we know there is a range of British commentary for consumption; a range of dissenting opinions rather than all plain vanilla.
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It's interesting to me to see that Alan sees Brundle and Joe Saward are balanced. I consider them two huge Hamilton groupies.
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It's interesting to me to see that Alan sees Brundle and Joe Saward are balanced. I consider them two huge Hamilton groupies.
I have spoken with Joe, and while he holds Hamilton in the highest regards he is also a very big fan of Max.
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spot on, Alan 52.... in jokes not shared with viewers will see me reach for the off button. Love my motorsport, just not in 'the in crowd'.

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Press reports (Speedcafe) of Barry Rogers wearing his ARG hat, questioning the requirement to run Super2 to get a Superlicence.
Is this an issue for MotorSport Australia?

Rogers is pushing for s5000 as an alternative pathway.

“Really, the people that control our licencing in the country should be looking at an S5000 and realising, ‘hey they are the fastest and most demanding cars that we race in this country and if you can master one of those, you should have every right to be able to get a co-driver role in a Supercar’,” Rogers continued.

“You still need a team to pick you up, it doesn’t mean you’re a walk-up start, but really I think the licencing part of it is certainly something that is holding S5000 back and to be honest with you, if it’s not sorted out, we will probably send the cars offshore.'

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“Really, the people that control our licencing in the country should be looking at an S5000 and realising, ‘hey they are the fastest and most demanding cars that we race in this country and if you can master one of those, you should have every right to be able to get a co-driver role in a Supercar’,” Rogers continued.
Translation: We have pathetic S5000 grids

I would think they want to sort out the driving standards first. Just the pits.
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Translation: We have pathetic S5000 grids

I would think they want to sort out the driving standards first. Just the pits.
Further translation:There is a very limited number of people who are prepared to pay a $30,000 lease to race one of these for a weekend.
There are just about no companies that can see any sort of commercial return on either spending on car sponsorship or series sponsorship that only 7% of households can watch on tv (discounting a 10 minute midweek highlights package).
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Further translation:There is a very limited number of people who are prepared to pay a $30,000 lease to race one of these for a weekend.
There are just about no companies that can see any sort of commercial return on either spending on car sponsorship or series sponsorship that only 7% of households can watch on tv (discounting a 10 minute midweek highlights package).
I'd prefer to note that Rogers is having a go ... getting open wheelers on track is worth the effort. No one is saying its easy, are they?
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