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Old 21 Sep 2022, 19:46 (Ref:4126756)   #226
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Just read this from Graham Goodwin at Daily Sportscar, with regard to Ginetta

"multiple paddock sources have confirmed to DSC that the move was prompted in no small part by significant increases in entry and other fees suggested by TOCA for 2023 including a very significant hike in the fees for ITV coverage going forward."
Sorry for the double post, but I missed this first time through

I do hope this significant increase in fees includes them finally doing something about the social media blackout that surrounds the championship

It says a lot that you can get short clips on social media and youtube posts of highlights/onboards/qualifying of F1, Formula E, NASCAR, INDYCAR, Aussie Supercars and all their supports, but come the BTCC and it's "watch on ITV4 and we might upload 1 min highlights of each race about a month later"

Feels very out of date these days.

Hell, even turning on the cameras/streaming the Saturday action would be nice.
Even 2cvs racing at about 50mph for 24hours get a full live stream these days, yet if you're on the BTCC support package, you don't even get half of your races filmed, let alone streamed live.

Sort that out Mr Gow
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Old 21 Sep 2022, 20:43 (Ref:4126760)   #227
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Come back Clio Cup, it's not been the same since you left!
(Seriously though, do come back Clio Cup if possible )
If you are missing you fix of small French hatchbacks, search on YouTube for RenaultClioSeries. The European series is being shown with English commentary.

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Saying that, maybe there's a slot for a classic series.
That BARC Trucks stream has a multi-era classic touring car racing championship, and a lot of touring car series have a classics championship on their package, so pipe dreams aside, could it happen?
(Answer: No, but it'd be nice!)
There used to be a very good classic series on the TOCA package back in the 90s but they were pushed out partly on the basis that they made the place look unprofessional. Given TOCA's push to towards ITV I can't see them wanting any amateur club series (no offense intended). Even in recent years when we have had the odd club series guesting they were usually pushed to the far corner of the paddock and kept well away from any TV cameras.

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Hell, even turning on the cameras/streaming the Saturday action would be nice.
Even 2cvs racing at about 50mph for 24hours get a full live stream these days, yet if you're on the BTCC support package, you don't even get half of your races filmed, let alone streamed live.
Streaming coverage seems to be very variable in quality, some very good, some less so.

British GT and other SRO series are very good but then that's because they are produced to TV broadcast quality. There are filmed for proper highlights package on proper TV channels, and I believe in some case the like of Sky F1 have shown races live.

If you watch TCR UK coverage it's quite obvious that it's being filmed with minimal cameras and in some case unmanned cameras. The whole thing feels like it's being done on a budget.
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Old 21 Sep 2022, 21:00 (Ref:4126762)   #228
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Is there a place for a series like the BMW M2 or M240’s?
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Old 21 Sep 2022, 23:14 (Ref:4126770)   #229
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Sorry for the double post, but I missed this first time through

I do hope this significant increase in fees includes them finally doing something about the social media blackout that surrounds the championship

It says a lot that you can get short clips on social media and youtube posts of highlights/onboards/qualifying of F1, Formula E, NASCAR, INDYCAR, Aussie Supercars and all their supports, but come the BTCC and it's "watch on ITV4 and we might upload 1 min highlights of each race about a month later"

Feels very out of date these days.

Hell, even turning on the cameras/streaming the Saturday action would be nice.
Even 2cvs racing at about 50mph for 24hours get a full live stream these days, yet if you're on the BTCC support package, you don't even get half of your races filmed, let alone streamed live.

Sort that out Mr Gow
I'd even go as far as to say the BTCC is having a blackout in general. Ever since it stopped being shown on MotorsTV (that's a long time ago) there hasn't been a legal way to watch the series and it's supports outside of the UK.

I'm kind of happy the Ginetta Juniors are out of the TOCA package because it'll mean we'll finally get to see them!

In all seriousness, I do hope BTCC/ITV/TOCA ups their game social media wise, and also internationally. It shouldn't be hard to put a geo-blocked stream on YouTube. Why is it I can watch Puerto Rican club racing, but not the self-acclaimed best touring car championship in the world? (even if I wanted to pay for it) It used to be a fairly popular championship to follow here in the Netherlands, but since it's fallen into obscurity

Rant over; I do hope they manage to find a good replacement, especially for the juniors
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Old 22 Sep 2022, 05:21 (Ref:4126789)   #230
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Ever since it stopped being shown on MotorsTV (that's a long time ago) there hasn't been a legal way to watch the series and it's supports outside of the UK.
The BTCC website says the following - is this not correct?

'The BTCC also enjoys extensive coverage overseas, including MotorTrend screening highlights in North America. A multitude of networks such as Speed, ESPN and FOX are among those that ensure that Britain’s biggest motor sport series is broadcast across six continents throughout each season. Viewers in these regions should check local listings for the latest broadcast dates and times.'

'Here are the BTCC airings on MOTORTREND Channel in 2022. All airings are 4pm ET:

Donington Park: Thursday 26 May
Brands Hatch Indy: Thursday 9 June
Thruxton: Thursday 14 July
Oulton Park: Thursday 21 July
Croft: Monday 8 August
Knockhill: Friday 9 September
Snetterton: Thursday 15 September
Thruxton: Thursday 13 October
Silverstone National: Friday 11 November
Brands Hatch GP: Thursday 24 November

All highlights (and full live) will be on MotorTrend+ within 10-14 days of each event and will be available (VOD) through the end of the year.'
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Old 22 Sep 2022, 06:20 (Ref:4126791)   #231
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If you are missing you fix of small French hatchbacks, search on YouTube for RenaultClioSeries. The European series is being shown with English commentary.
I think the latest Clios could be a good fit for the 'junior' series - they are around £35k+vat, have a 1.3T engine and 5spd sequential box. From factory they are 180bhp, but this could be de-tuned slightly, then run them on treaded tyres.
If you wanted a 'ladder' set up, then the Alpine A110 has a racing version (similar to a GT4 I think)
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I'd even go as far as to say the BTCC is having a blackout in general. Ever since it stopped being shown on MotorsTV (that's a long time ago) there hasn't been a legal way to watch the series and it's supports outside of the UK.
Can you not view them via the ITV site? https://www.itv.com/btcc/btcc-2022-races
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Old 22 Sep 2022, 06:27 (Ref:4126794)   #233
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probably not going to happen but I'd love to see the MX5's on the BTCC package, great racing and massive grids, but sadly the fees would be too much for most drivers
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Old 22 Sep 2022, 07:52 (Ref:4126797)   #234
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The BTCC website says the following - is this not correct?

'The BTCC also enjoys extensive coverage overseas, including MotorTrend screening highlights in North America. A multitude of networks such as Speed, ESPN and FOX are among those that ensure that Britain’s biggest motor sport series is broadcast across six continents throughout each season. Viewers in these regions should check local listings for the latest broadcast dates and times.'

'Here are the BTCC airings on MOTORTREND Channel in 2022. All airings are 4pm ET:
I wouldn't always take what BTCC website says about international coverage at face value. They take things like the 90 second roundup on Mobil 1 The Grid as race coverage. MotorTrend may show BTCC coverage but I don't think they show any of the support races.

Also look at the broadcast dates. This weekend's Silverstone race is not broadcast for another 6 weeks; that's a month after the season finale.
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I wouldn't always take what BTCC website says about international coverage at face value.
Hence my question of whether this is correct.

I know that the MotorTrend coverage was only updated in the last couple of months, so took it as being probably correct.

Admittedly, it is not a great level of coverage overseas. But let's not forget that there is a bit of a clue in the 'B' of BTCC. It is obviously highly successful, but is still only a national series.

Out of interest (I genuinely do not know the answer) - on the other side of the equation how many other national series' are viewable in the UK?
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Old 22 Sep 2022, 08:21 (Ref:4126803)   #236
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Motortrend is only available in the USA. They stopped the service outside of there a couple of years ago. There is a limited version available as a channel on Amazon Prime but it has nowhere near the content so BTCC might not be on there and Amazon Prime isn't available in all countries.
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ginetta have the career ladder licked, we need a cheap jnr series to allow progression to mini challenge then mini jcw then btcc... so probably mini something. saxos are too old and look old, ditto fiesta... gow wants pro teams not dad and lad with a transit and trailer or a old volvo b10m bus
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I think the latest Clios could be a good fit for the 'junior' series - they are around £35k+vat, have a 1.3T engine and 5spd sequential box. From factory they are 180bhp, but this could be de-tuned slightly, then run them on treaded tyres.
If you wanted a 'ladder' set up, then the Alpine A110 has a racing version (similar to a GT4 I think)
Personally - I think this is the most likely at present looking at what is out there.

We didn't get the Renault Clio R.S. V in the UK (IIRC), so adding to the Clio Cup Europe program would get my vote.
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I agree that ideally the void should be filled with some sort of Saloon Car feeder series, (Sorry, I'm too 'old school', Touring cars for me are GT's), but I don't know what?
With the current trend of everything road car wise having to go full electric before too long maybe all-electric type cars would be the way to go from a publicity point of view (not that I'm in favour), but unless Mr Gow has had something up his sleeve that's already prepared It's a bit too late to roll that out now in time for next season...
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With the current trend of everything road car wise having to go full electric before too long maybe all-electric type cars would be the way to go from a publicity point of view.
Another option that might be up Mr Gow's sleeve (how big are his arms?).

The Electric Production Car Series never quite got going, but could be quick to implement I would have thought?

Or maybe a reinvigoration of the Jaguar I-Pace eTrophy?
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