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Old 25 Sep 2022, 21:28 (Ref:4127419)   #271
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If Laser Tools want to stay with RWD, I guess their options are either to try and buy BMWs (if you can't beat them, join them) or maybe bring a brand like Audi back to the BTCC? The Audi RS 3 could be a good fit.
Or, after a bad year and needing a new and considerable investment, perhaps the Moffats will decide it's time to explore options outside of the BTCC?
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Old 26 Sep 2022, 07:12 (Ref:4127458)   #272
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There's not many other than the JSCC and Fiestas? If they wanted something with modern cars (unless I am missing one) it would need to be a new championship, perhaps explaining the year's gap?
The commentary team were saying there are three junior series licensed but could licence a fourth, I got the impression that Lord Gow may be looking to put his own junior series together .... a BTCC juniors type series maybe ?
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Old 26 Sep 2022, 08:16 (Ref:4127464)   #273
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When we get told (probably in December) of the license holders for 2023, that will probably indicate who we will see and where. I would expect a couple of changes of license holders, especially as MB have 0 licenses of their own at the moment.
I expect a few big indicators to appear at the next meeting over the future direction of a number of teams.

Typically, when teams / drivers reach the point that they have nothing left to compete for in-season, their focus looks to the year ahead. It is the chance to get a bit of a sound-bite out for potential backers, and journalists are looking for stories to carry through the off-season.

So keep your eyes and ears attuned to what comes out at Brands GP. You will get some personnel all but confirming a drive or team structure.....
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Old 26 Sep 2022, 08:19 (Ref:4127465)   #274
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there was a 4th jnr series licensed by msuk, the scottish motor racing club using the bmw 1 series, it didnt happen in 2022 but a few cars were built... logical way is a fwd 1 make, shells that look current and budget around ginetta g40, mini challenge spec could work on treaded tyres, plus would provide the path into challenge then jcw then btcc...

lets be honest, ginetta have the path licked, start in 40 jnr, uorade car to gt5 then either go academy g55 or supercup g55 or 56 then you can go gt racing. only 2 chassis builds needed the rest is upgrades
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It would be good to have MB Motorsport run two cars again, they've proven their skills in running the team. They probably would just continue as a satellite team to WSR too.
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It would be good to have MB Motorsport run two cars again, they've proven their skills in running the team. They probably would just continue as a satellite team to WSR too.
Do MB Motorsport actually really run a team now then?

Or is it still just a sponsorship agency in reality?
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It would be good to have MB Motorsport run two cars again, they've proven their skills in running the team. They probably would just continue as a satellite team to WSR too.
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Do MB Motorsport actually really run a team now then?

Or is it still just a sponsorship agency in reality?
MB Motorsport has never been a team. With the Civics and Focii it was just a title sponsor to AmD and Motorbase.
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MB Motorsport has never been a team. With the Civics and Focii it was just a title sponsor to AmD and Motorbase.
Thanks. I didn't think so, but I was nearly falling for nonsense again!
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I think we really know what S griffin meant though.

If you want to be pedantic about it - I think S griffin means:

"It would be good to have MB Motorsport run two cars again, they've proven their skills in [putting together a package that sees their brand represented as a BTCC] team. They probably would just continue as a [primary sponsor of a] satellite team to WSR [if their entry expanded to 2 cars]."
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I think we really know what S griffin meant though.

If you want to be pedantic about it - I think S griffin means:

"It would be good to have MB Motorsport run two cars again, they've proven their skills in [putting together a package that sees their brand represented as a BTCC] team. They probably would just continue as a [primary sponsor of a] satellite team to WSR [if their entry expanded to 2 cars]."
Why say “they've proven their skills in running the team” then, when “they’ve” done no such thing at all then…
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Why say “they've proven their skills in running the team” then, when “they’ve” done no such thing at all then…
There is far more to running a team than setting up the car. Without all the marketing and looking after the sponsors you never get to that stage. That's what MB excel at.

It's just semantics as to what you think running a team means.
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There is far more to running a team than setting up the car. Without all the marketing and looking after the sponsors you never get to that stage. That's what MB excel at.

It's just semantics as to what you think running a team means.
Thanks. Yes, it was as I originally thought, before I read the strange comment.

They don’t run a team at all, though they are doubtless good at what they do do.
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Semantics aside, I think we can safely assume MB's involvement will be on the sponsorship/management side and not the spannering. So where does that leave them?

Acquire a TBL (buy/borrow from Boardley, or look for a TOCA loan) and ask WSR to run a forth car? Not sure how likely either part of that is.

Partnership with Cicely? Gives you access to the customer BMWs but will probably mean Morgan will be one car. Nothing against Morgan but little point in expanding to a 2-car team if you don't have control over who drives the second car.

Laser Tools? Same issue with Moffat in the second car with the added complication of potentially building a replacement for the Infiniti.

Excelr8? Motorbase? Have the potential to run 2 teams of 2 cars, and both the Hyundai and Ford looks to be a decent package in the right hands. Of the two I think Excelr8 could be serious possibility.

BTC? Assuming Plato retires then it's possible the Adrian Flux sponsorship might disappear in which case they might welcome a re-brand a MB for 2 cars.

Dynamics? Possible but somehow doesn't seem likely.

Speedworks? Too involved with Toyota to re-brand the cars as MB.
PMR? Similarly too involved with Power Maxed own branding.

HARD? no comment
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Given the financial situations of a lot of drivers and sponsors at the moment it wouldn't surprise me to see some significant changes for next season. I suspect we'll be in for a year where money talks more than ever and some high profile drives will be filled by some rather less talented drivers.
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Excelr8? Motorbase? Have the potential to run 2 teams of 2 cars, and both the Hyundai and Ford looks to be a decent package in the right hands. Of the two I think Excelr8 could be serious possibility.
Having worked with Motorbase before - are there any bridges burnt there?

Hill knows the Focus (assuming he stays with the team), although that might 'fix' them to Osborne in the second car too.

I still think a 'Boardley' TBL is the most likely - maybe as another WSR customer?
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