2023 Season

[S griffin]

I reckon Lance Stroll will probably be the one who benefits most from this. Can't see Freddy continuing beyond next year, especially as Aston Martin have tough times ahead

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by AndreasDavour

Hulkenberg is, which I find extremely puzzling, very popular. I wonder why. A few funny radio calls doesn't make a race driver, do they?



Steiner apparently said they have decided they need experience and drivers which can help drive development. Maybe Hulkenberg is one of those guys who is very uninspiring as a racer, but gives good feedback?

Methodical, reliable and he can drive.
His junior years he was a standout in the nations GP series and then also took the F2 title in his first year, which puts him in hallowed company with Rosberg, Hamilton, Piastri, Russell and Leclerc.
Then he got a pole position in his first F1 year with Williams....
Speed wasn't a problem and when he subbed for Perez at Racing Point he scored points.
He's also mechanically sympathetic and not hard on machinery.
Won in 2015 as third driver with Porsche.
All of that makes him a better proposition for Steiner when looking at his repair bill and the desire to get the cars into the top ten.
If the car is any good and Hulkenberg still has form he will score points for Haas and may actually outscore Magnussen.

So really, not a bad choice. No exciting from an emotional point of view or a 'new upcoming' talent but if he reliably scores points he makes money for Haas.
And that is what it's about.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

So really, not a bad choice. No exciting from an emotional point of view or a 'new upcoming' talent but if he reliably scores points he makes money for Haas.
And that is what it's about.

This is a good assessment. HAAS as a team give me the impression that they are not really there to compete but more than happy to just participate. With this in mind the Hulk appars to be a good addition to the team.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by dsg

This is a good assessment. HAAS as a team give me the impression that they are not really there to compete but more than happy to just participate. With this in mind the Hulk appars to be a good addition to the team.

F1 is a competition so they are there to compete. No one would go into F1 to 'not compete'.
But they know their limitations and financial boundaries so they cannot compete with Ferrari, Red Bull, Mercedes, Alpine (Renault). But they can compete with the others and do so a cut above their weight.
And to do so is satisfying and meaningful to the owners.
It has a purpose and to be good at what they do, to be one of the best at it it would give them enormous satisfaction.
That is enough reason for them to be there.

[broadrun96]

Exactly that, they are there to compete on the terms set by the FIA at their joining of the series

[dsg]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

F1 is a competition so they are there to compete. No one would go into F1 to 'not compete'.
But they know their limitations and financial boundaries so they cannot compete with Ferrari, Red Bull, Mercedes, Alpine (Renault). But they can compete with the others and do so a cut above their weight.
And to do so is satisfying and meaningful to the owners.
It has a purpose and to be good at what they do, to be one of the best at it it would give them enormous satisfaction.
That is enough reason for them to be there.

I feel F1 is a business more than a competition to HAAS. We can see that in the structure/organisation of their team compared to others. Please don't take my post as being critical of HAAS. That was not the intent. HAAS perform quite well in comparision to some other teams at their level and this is why I thought the hiring of Hulkenburg was a good business choice.

I agree HAAS fill a niche in F1 but unlike some other 2nd or 3rd tier teams I get the impression HAAS are content with where they are, whereas teams like Aston Martin, McLaren Alpine and even Williams aim to compete at a higher level.

Hope that makes more sense.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by dsg

I feel F1 is a business more than a competition to HAAS. We can see that in the structure/organisation of their team compared to others. Please don't take my post as being critical of HAAS. That was not the intent. HAAS perform quite well in comparision to some other teams at their level and this is why I thought the hiring of Hulkenburg was a good business choice.

I agree HAAS fill a niche in F1 but unlike some other 2nd or 3rd tier teams I get the impression HAAS are content with where they are, whereas teams like Aston Martin, McLaren Alpine and even Williams aim to compete at a higher level.

Hope that makes more sense.

It does make sense and I agree with you re the Haas performance.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I reckon Lance Stroll will probably be the one who benefits most from this. Can't see Freddy continuing beyond next year, especially as Aston Martin have tough times ahead

Why do you think AM have tough times ahead?

[bjohnsonsmith]

The Chinese GP has been cancelled.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/63831931

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

The Chinese GP has been cancelled.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/63831931

from the article: The statement said: "Formula 1 is assessing alternative options to replace the slot on the 2023 calendar and will provide an update on this in due course."

i had thought their earlier release on this cancelation had indicated that they would not be looking for a replacement race?

shall we have a poll on which non democratic country will be first in line to buy the rights?

Money talks
But it can't sing and dance and it can't walk!

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

The Chinese GP has been cancelled.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/63831931

Have been waiting for the announcement for a while

[Skam85]

It would be nice to have Sepang back.

[S griffin]

No guarantee they are going to replace to race. With so many races already on the calendar, I see no reason why they should

[greentrumpet]

I can think of $€v€ra£.

[Akrapovic]

Wasn't Portimao mentioned as the replacement? But later in the year, as the Chinese GP date clashes with WEC Portimao.