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Old 29 Jan 2007, 19:07 (Ref:1828828)   #46
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assume its LM4 as LM3 appears to have gone to Ray Mallocks to make the ecosse as i have that bodywork!
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Old 29 Jan 2007, 19:25 (Ref:1828837)   #47
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This isn't going to help much as I don't have the chassis number. Nice car though.
We used it for a Brands GP 4 Hr WC race. I remember we were 2nd or 3rd when a steering arm broke. I ran into the De C garage and filtched a spare off a spare front suspension assembly they had near the door ( our teams weren't talking: people who did business wit De C rarely did for long!). Half a result.

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Old 29 Jan 2007, 19:42 (Ref:1828850)   #48
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John i think that car is LM3 then sold to Dorset racing to Tony
i have the body on green
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Old 29 Jan 2007, 20:45 (Ref:1828922)   #49
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can someone give me a history of De Cadenet?
(the same Alain de Cadenet from Speed Channel?)
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Old 29 Jan 2007, 22:07 (Ref:1829019)   #50
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Old 30 Jan 2007, 07:04 (Ref:1829194)   #51
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Old 30 Jan 2007, 14:02 (Ref:1829446)   #52
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LM4 was the designation given to the British Post Office sponsored car that De Cad drove in Can-Am in 1978.

Also, the Ecosse C284 was built around "ex-Dorset Racing tub ADC78/1" (according to Briggs p304).

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Wasn't the Post Office car actually a Mirage GR6, ex-Gelo car ???
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Old 30 Jan 2007, 14:52 (Ref:1829473)   #53
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He drove the De Cadenet Lola at some races and a Mirage GM7 at others.

This is it at Mosport in August: http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-08-20-004.jpg

Here's the Mirage at Mid-Ohio in June for ganley when the Lola would have been at Le Mans: http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-06-11-004.jpg
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Old 30 Jan 2007, 15:55 (Ref:1829507)   #54
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Is the Mirage a real one ? or a De Cad, or Lola, or anything else with a Mirage body ?

Maybe we should open a Mirage chassis number thread ?

Still waiting for some informations from driftwood and others, before trying to close the story of De Cadenet Chassis.
LM1 : its very clear
LM2 : its nearly clear, but when De Cadenet sold it, he sold it to somebody affiliate to the dorset racing, and then, after Dorset Racing, what happens to HU01 after Le Mans 79 (Fisons). The chassis ran other events ? and who own it now ?
LM3 : AdC sold it to somebody affiliate to the Dorset (JC Cooper who sold it after to nick Faure, and then Ray Mallock dit the Ecosse with it; But maybe AdC sold LM4 to JC Cooper and kept LM3 for him ? so it could be LM3 the Belga car and LM4, the Ecosse ?

In fact we dont know at Le Mans, if between 77 an 81, AdC ran the same chassis. For the moment nothing prove it !

Reasons : AdC could kept the old car, because of reliability and "gave" the new chassis to JC Cooper who did not qualify the first year, because the car was not so well prepared in time !

Could John told us, if the car he drove in 79 was the property of Cooper ?

The more simple story will be that AdC took the new car (LM4) and kept it until 1985, when he sold it to Pinguino, whot sold it to Martin Birrane !

Any news, Driftwood ? did you talk with an De Cad's guy ?
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Old 30 Jan 2007, 18:03 (Ref:1829587)   #55
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Is the Mirage a real one ? or a De Cad, or Lola, or anything else with a Mirage body ? real Mirage chassis# is listed somewhere


Maybe we should open a Mirage chassis number thread ?another day maybe too stressful ealing with

Still waiting for some informations from driftwood and others, before trying to close the story of De Cadenet Chassis.
LM1 : its very clearduckhams car
LM2 : its nearly clear, but when De Cadenet sold it,sold to dorset sold 1976 so they race le mans and de cad race the newly built lm3 car he sold it to somebody affiliate to the dorset racing,dorset racing IS Tony Birchenhough and then, after Dorset Racing, what happens to HU01 after Le Mans 79 (Fisons). it seems thay ha dthe car as Dorset late get LM3 carThe chassis ran other events ? and who own it now ?in a private collection
LM3 : AdC sold it to somebody affiliate to the Dorsetdorset had it last THEY RACED IN 6 HR BRANDS RACE 1981 BODY HAS lm 1983 STICKER ON IT AS WELL (JC Cooper who sold it after to nick Faure, and then DORSET TO MALLOCK IS MY GUESSRay Mallock dit the Ecosse with it; But maybe AdC sold LM4 to JC Cooper and kept LM3 for him ?NO so it could be LM3 the Belga car and LM4, the Ecosse ?NO

In fact we dont know at Le Mans, if between 77 an 81, AdC ran the same chassis. For the moment nothing prove it !

Reasons : AdC could kept the old car, because of reliability and "gave" the new chassis to JC Cooper who did not qualify the first year, because the car was not so well prepared in time !UNLIKELY

Could John told us, if the car he drove in 79 was the property of Cooper ?

The more simple story will be that AdC took the new car (LM4) and kept it until 1985, nowhen he sold it to Pinguino, whot sold it to Martin Birrane !I THINK COLIN POOL BOUGHT THE CAR FROM BELGIUM Martin Brothers they raced car in 81/82

Any news, Driftwood ? did you talk with an De Cad's guy ?not yet i ask now we had $$ matters to discuss yesterday
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Old 30 Jan 2007, 20:24 (Ref:1829656)   #56
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The more simple story will be that AdC took the new car (LM4) and kept it until 1985, nowhen he sold it to Pinguino, whot sold it to Martin Birrane !I THINK COLIN POOL BOUGHT THE CAR FROM BELGIUM Martin Brothers they raced car in 81/82
Colin Pool states in his post that he bought the Belga car from AdC.

Guys, we're still going round in circles speculating. We need solid facts and that means someone needs to open Autosport, Sport Auto, Autosprint, etc, etc and see what they say about each car at each race.

There's just no substitute for spade work.

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Old 31 Jan 2007, 07:40 (Ref:1829925)   #57
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The end of the story for De Cadenet !

LM1 is the Duckhams ! and was not a Lola, but a Gordon Murray’s based on a BT33 components. The car ran Le Mans in 72 and 73 as a Duckhams then in 1974 as a green De Cadenet, with a look alike Ferrari 312 PB body. the car became the Colin Hawker DFVW in 1975 with a VW Variant Body shell. The car still exist and have been restored with the 1973 look (without the long tail which was the 1972 body style)

LM2 is T380 HU01 ran by De Cadenet at Le mans in 75 with a nearly standart body work (number 4) and then modified in 76 to run Le Mans (number 12); the car had a bulb nose.
In 77, the car was sold to Dorset Racing, and enter Le Mans with a Alain De Cadenet entry. The Dorset fail to qualify (number 6). Tony Birchenough from the Dorset was at the wheel with Simon Philips.
In 78, the car was entered as a De Cadenet Lola T380 by Simon Philips. It was the Bat Car still with a bulb nose, with Martin raymond at the wheel.
In 79, the car was entered as a Lola T286 (!!!!!!) still with a bulb nose, by Fison Agricole - Simon Phillip.
The car was then sold and is now in Scandinavia private collection.

LM3 is believed to be ADC77/01 built by Alain De Cadenet with Lola corners
It appears in Le Mans as number 5 in 1977.
In 78, three cas was entered, so one of them was a new one (LM2, LM3 and the new LM4).
LM2 was the Bat Car.
LM3 and LM4 was entered by Alain De Cadenet himself (only because of ACO regulation)
Number 8 for him and Craft (ACO said De Cadenet Lola T380 !, ADC said De Cadenet Lola 76/77 !) This car was the new LM4 also call ADC 78/01
Number 9 for Cooper Lovett Evans (ACO said De Cadenet Lola LM ! ADC said De Cadenet Lola 75/77) who fail to qualify was LM3.

In 1979, also three cars :
LM2 was the Fisons car (number 15)
John Cooper Racing entered a Lola T281 SG (number 3) for him and Lovett and Morrison. The car was white with a big red cross. This car was LM3.
T281 does not exist as a Lola, SG mean St Georges ? (ACO guys are stupid !)
We thing, according to John Morrison, that LM3 was not part of the "official" De Cadenet team.
Alain entered the number 8 as De Cadenet LM and it was LM4


In 1980 : two cars.
Alain entered the De Cadenet LM number 8 and it was LM4
Nick Faure entered a De Cadenet LM number 11 for him Jones and De Dryiver. This car was white a red and blue stripe. It was LM3.
This car according to the ACO scruteneening form is De Cadenet SLG 781 and was built in 1978; http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?i...to066ooit4.jpg
So the mystery is a bout the significant of SLG 781 (we have already a mysterious GLC 913 !)
S ?
L for Lola or Len
G still for Gordon ?
Or it is a Thompson reference ?
The previous year the car was entered as Lola SG 281 and i think the ACO made a mistake in 1979 (the 2, was only on typewriter paper !).
78 for the year and 1 for the first chassis ?


In 1981 : two cars
Alain entered the number 20 with Belga livery (Murry Smith , the team manager for the car (?) ) said it was a car from 78 named De Cadenet LM, ACO also it’s a De Cadenet LM !) The car had a 3300 DFV for testing only. This car was LM4. This car was purchased in 1985 by "pinguino" who ran it in some event, and then sold it to Martin Biranne. Everybody saw it at Le Mans Classic 2006, with a chassis dataplate GLC 913.
The mystery is now only about this chassis plate :
G for Gordon Murray ?
L for Len Bailey or Lola (Lola suspension)?
C for Cadenet ?
913 (what is this number for ?)
I think this car is LM4 or ADC78/01. That means that Alain used the new car back in 1978 !

Dorset Racing bought LM3 from Nick Faure and entered it as number 21 for Faure, Candy, Birranne. The car had a 3000 DFV and was De Cadenet LM for ACO ! This car was Number 23 in DRM Zolder 1982. Dorset Racing sold it to Ray Mallock and the car became the first Ecosse Group C . Provided with a flat bottom the monocoque is realized in the workshops of the firm TC Prototypes of John Thompson to Northampton, Great Britain. The car was totally destroyed in a crash. The original body of LM3 car was put on a T390 chassis and displayed at the Rosso Bianco Museum. Driftwwod bought the chassis and he is now the proud owaner of a true De Cadenet body ! (thanks to him)


We are sure is that there is only two De Cadenet still existing :
The LM1 Duckams and LM4 the Martin Birrane’s car (GLC 913)
Also it exist LM2 (the Lola T380 HU01) somewhere in Scandinavia.


About the ADA Minor :
The car is believed built by Cris Crawford based upon a T290. The name De Cadenet Lola was use in Le Mans in 1982 and 1983. Maybe because the car use some components of a De Cadenet, but I think it was only to get an entry to Le Mans, because Alain was well known and well appreciate by ACO officials. And maybe also because the car had some papers from a De Cadenet to cross the sea ! May we ask Cris Crawford about these fact. The car seems to be know destroyed after a polish guy fit a Porsche engines and a Mazda engines in it. He crashed the car.

Sorry for my bad English ! I am French and I work for Infos Course each year at Le Mans since 1994 (My first Le Mans was in 1972 !)

The pictures and this story has been updated by Lolafan on his website
http://www.geocities.com/lolahistory/

I think now that everyone is ok about De Cadenet's cars story.

Thanks to everyone.
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Old 31 Jan 2007, 08:10 (Ref:1829937)   #58
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Driftwwod bought the chassis and he is now the proud owaner of a true De Cadenet body ! (thanks to him)
"PROUD" MAY BE TOO STRONG A WORD!!!!



About the ADA Minor :
The car is believed built by Cris Crawford based upon a T290. The name De Cadenet Lola was use in Le Mans in 1982 and 1983. Maybe because the car use some components of a De Cadenet, but I think it was only to get an entry to Le Mans, because Alain was well known and well appreciate by ACO officials. And maybe also because the car had some papers from a De Cadenet to cross the sea ! May we ask Cris Crawford about these fact. The car seems to be know destroyed after a polish guy fit a Porsche engines and a Mazda engines in it. He crashed the car.i WILL ASK CHRIS AGAIN TODAY I DID ASK HIM 4 WEEKS AGO HE SAID IT WAS NOT T290 JUST SOME LOLA CORNERS
Sorry for my bad English ! I am French and I work for Infos Course each year at Le Mans since 1994 (My first Le Mans was in 1972 !)YOUR ENGLISH IS GREAT OUR FRENCH IS MERDE -WHAT REALLY UPSETS US "ROS BEUF" IS WHEN YOUR FRIENDS AT CALAIS GO ON STRIKE THAT REALLY HAS PI'@@ED US OFF!
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Old 31 Jan 2007, 08:24 (Ref:1829946)   #59
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Thanks for everything... if you will be able to come to Le Mans in june, i will be pleased to meet you !

For the ADA, i think that Crhis Crawford is the best guy to know about it !!!!
And so the Morris Minor was based on Lola T290 corners, Porsche 906 windscreen and Lola T380 bulb nose and headlight !

Here is a link with an interesting picture of the ADA
http://forums.motorlegend.com/vb/sho...t=27067&page=6
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Echappement Le Mans preview June 1979 p121:

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[i]Le Britannico-francais nous revient au Lans avec encore plus d'ambitions. La voiture n'est qu'une version légèrement modifiée de celle de 78, elle-même extrapolée de la version 77, elle-même ... d'une version 76, elle-même d'une ... Lola![i]
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Britannico-French returns to us in Lans with even more ambitions. The car is only one version slightly modified of that of 78, itself extrapolated of the version 77, itself… of a version 76, itself of one… Lola!
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