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Old 29 Aug 2005, 19:41 (Ref:1393930)   #1
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Brian Herta and the "chrome horn"

Infinion is an awful place for high-torque open wheel racing. A bit like Hungaroring; narrow, no passing opportunities. I don't remember a single pass for position on the track. Total parade if not for bone-head Briscoe. You could just FEEL the frustration in Herta's cockpit as he was trapped behind Matsura lap after lap. Twice he got his nose up under Matsura's gearbox in an attempt to punt him off (before the inevitable happened). It was the singular most entertaining part of the race....

If the IRL wants to go road racing, do it in a place like Cleveland; with 300 foot wide corners and long straights with wide braking zones.

I love Infineon for bikes, but open wheel cars.....nope!
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Old 29 Aug 2005, 19:45 (Ref:1393934)   #2
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Infineon is a fabulous track just to watch cars going round, overtaking is a side issue really.

I loved it, great to watch.

A procession at Hungaroring, for example, is mainly unbearable because the track is bland and lacks character.
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Old 29 Aug 2005, 19:45 (Ref:1393935)   #3
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Watkins Glen will be excellent though - it'll really separate the men/women from the boys/girls
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Old 29 Aug 2005, 19:53 (Ref:1393947)   #4
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Or Woman/Girl....

I can't wait for Watkins, terrific track, always has been........still has a danger element too.
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Old 29 Aug 2005, 20:05 (Ref:1393961)   #5
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If you haven't seen bikes at Infineon, you owe it to yourself to look. I'm a late-comer to Superbikes, but it's everything open wheel racing isn't (at least at Sears Point). Knee draggin, shoulder bumpin' elbow to elbow racing in 3 dimensions ! The most cut-throat racing I've ever seen with multiple passes for position every lap. Heart stopping ! As if to underscore this point, the stands are packed during bike races; but much less so last weekend.

The comment about the Glen is right on the money. I suspect it will be VERY well attended.
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Old 30 Aug 2005, 06:50 (Ref:1394224)   #6
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There were alot of passes for position back in the pack, they just weren't shown on TV. Also, they might want to run the NASCAR/ALMS hairpin, even though its a little more dangerous, its also alot wider and has definite opportunities to pass on. The Atlantics ran that course when they were there with ALMS and didn't seem to have a problem.
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Bikes are different though.

You are guaranteed a great race with bikes pretty much wherever you go.

Cars are far less compatible with certain circuits.
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Old 30 Aug 2005, 16:50 (Ref:1394621)   #8
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did you see the version of infineon they used. They took away only good passing zone by using the motorcycle course. Blame the guy who picked that configuration.
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Pass for position? Enge on Kannan.

I was really surprised to see Herta using the chrome horn. I can't remember how many times he lost of by being meek in the past, notiable several times with Zanardi. It was one of his biggest weaknesses. Now we see him punting other cars?
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Maybe he is getting grumpy in his old(er) age?
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did you see the version of infineon they used. They took away only good passing zone by using the motorcycle course. Blame the guy who picked that configuration.
It was chosen for safety considerations.
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How the heck did Dan Wheldon make it from restarting 17th to the lead befor breaking down then?
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he was the last car to pit
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Infinion is an awful place for high-torque open wheel racing. A bit like Hungaroring; narrow, no passing opportunities. I don't remember a single pass for position on the track. Total parade if not for bone-head Briscoe. You could just FEEL the frustration in Herta's cockpit as he was trapped behind Matsura lap after lap. Twice he got his nose up under Matsura's gearbox in an attempt to punt him off (before the inevitable happened). It was the singular most entertaining part of the race....

If the IRL wants to go road racing, do it in a place like Cleveland; with 300 foot wide corners and long straights with wide braking zones.

I love Infineon for bikes, but open wheel cars.....nope!
Got to agree, from tv it all looked awful.
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Old 12 Sep 2005, 19:56 (Ref:1406043)   #15
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Actually, Bryan made a beautiful pass of Sam Hornish within the first lap or so -- but after everyones tires are up to temperature it becomes extremely hard to pass on that track. As far as the chrome horn -- I just think Bryan was trying to get as close as he could in that turn to increase his chances of passing down the following straight section and/or was trying to force the other driver into a mistake. These road courses where passing is extremely difficult can be frustrating to watch if you have a driver you root for who you know is being held up by a car that is clearly slower. I believe every road course should have at least a few excellent passing zones.
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