What would you do to F1? - Page 3

Marbot · 17 Jun 2010, 00:19 (Ref:2713462)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

People who say this... Reminds me of my dads (long deceased) mother saying colour TV and gas fires were overrated.

Do you still wash your clothes in the sink?

*whilst watching 3D TV*

I want more visual technology! Gimme! Gimme! But most of all, give me something worth watching.

ECW Dan Selby · 17 Jun 2010, 09:15 (Ref:2713607)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

People who say this... Reminds me of my dads (long deceased) mother saying colour TV and gas fires were overrated.

Do you still wash your clothes in the sink?

Selby

ECW Dan Selby · 17 Jun 2010, 10:14 (Ref:2713627)

Going back on to the looks of the cars, I just checked out some images from the recent Ferrari youth test of the 2008 car, and it's quite shocking just how alien they look:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-conten...008_2010-5.jpg

Selby

wnut · 17 Jun 2010, 11:17 (Ref:2713646)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

*whilst watching 3D TV*

I want more visual technology! Gimme! Gimme! But most of all, give me something worth watching.

Seconded!

I am only watching for the racing!

Lotusonpole · 17 Jun 2010, 12:02 (Ref:2713669)

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Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

Going back on to the looks of the cars, I just checked out some images from the recent Ferrari youth test of the 2008 car, and it's quite shocking just how alien they look:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-conten...008_2010-5.jpg

Selby

Hideous springs to mind. Last year's and this season's cars look beautiful in comparison, even allowing for the wide front wings and narrow rear wings.

I do like the idea of a bigger variety of track types.
If the cars all look much of a muchness, due to the controlling effect of the rules, tracks may be the answer.

But overall this season has been very good so far IMHO.

P

Marbot · 17 Jun 2010, 13:14 (Ref:2713695)

One of the thing I would like to change is one mans attitude to 'other' teams.

Give it up Luca!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84539

ECW Dan Selby · 17 Jun 2010, 13:39 (Ref:2713711)

Ergh, change the damn record, will you?!

Yes, they're slow. Get over it. In case Luca hadn't noticed, the grid is the tightest it has ever been, and there is less testing than ever (I mean he really should notice that point at the very least..). How do you expect new blood to come in and be any where near the established teams?!

Selby

Lotusonpole · 17 Jun 2010, 14:16 (Ref:2713723)

Did anyone slam Ferrari so much when they started all those years ago?
I doubt it.

Ferrari, the original garista, should applaud any new team for giving it a go, not constantly slag them off.

There have always been new teams coming in to F1, they are a part of the sport just as Ferrari is.

P
Luca for you:

chillibowl · 17 Jun 2010, 16:25 (Ref:2713796)

not a huge Luca fan or anything but he does kind of have a point (unfortunately he is conveniently forgetting that backmarkers are also helping the slow Ferrari's stay close).

his one sided opinion aside though, either F1 pretends its a sport or it just openly acts like a business and going by the revelations from the Joe Saward blog that there is in fact an incentive for the slow team to stay slow it is looking less and less like a sport - and slow cars dont help that image.

if the slowest team is slower than the feeder series then they dont belong with the top level. if they want time, then they should go back to GP2 and cut their teeth there. once they are ready to move up i would welcome them with open arms.

curiously if i started a thread about the flawed nature of the selection process and who should have been let in i wonder how many would say that HRT is at the top of the list? they are a revelation of openness and great fun for sure, but really does anyone think that they belong on merit?

duke_toaster · 17 Jun 2010, 16:38 (Ref:2713802)

Hispania weren't selected though - Campos were selected on the thought that Adrian himself would run it (complete with his wealth of single seater experience) and that they had the money. They didn't. The new owners inherited a car that had little work on it, it's not their fault. The team running the cars isn't the problem for anyone, it's the car itself - something they can't learn in GP2. Ideally GP2 would be junked and replaced with a multi-chassis (and probably multi-engine) formula so that chassis builders can supply teams in whatever it's called (Formula Two being the logical name), build up experience constructing single seaters and then apply for F1. But that isn't going to happen.

The Hispania cars aren't even that slow though - in the last few races they have been within 107%.

Insert shameless request for comment on this post here.

AndyS · 17 Jun 2010, 16:39 (Ref:2713803)

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Originally Posted by ralf fan

More Tilke tracks.

Are you on drugs! Or did you mean to put No instead of more. I think there are some excellent suggestions on here, particularly on the technical front. I would have never come up with half of those. I also think it's time for some fresh blood running the sport, time to move over Bernie. Ultimately, whoever is running the sport will want to make money, but we need someone with the sports best interest at heart not his bank balance.

chillibowl · 17 Jun 2010, 21:39 (Ref:2713987)

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Originally Posted by duke_toaster

...Ideally GP2 would be junked and replaced with a multi-chassis (and probably multi-engine) formula so that chassis builders can supply teams in whatever it's called (Formula Two being the logical name), build up experience constructing single seaters and then apply for F1. But that isn't going to happen.

costs obviously, but out of curiosity, are there other reasons?

**bjohnsonsmith** · 17 Jun 2010, 23:54 (Ref:2714054)

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Originally Posted by AndyS

I also think it's time for some fresh blood running the sport, time to move over Bernie. Ultimately, whoever is running the sport will want to make money, but we need someone with the sports best interest at heart not his bank balance.

Agreed but I hope they would want to make money for the sport, rather than from the sport, so it can be reinvested and make F1 sustainable and affordable, for existing teams, new teams and race tracks.

wnut · 18 Jun 2010, 00:32 (Ref:2714066)

Bring this back!

F1 for connoisseurs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwDWj...eature=related

**bjohnsonsmith** · 18 Jun 2010, 00:54 (Ref:2714075)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Bring this back!

F1 for connoisseurs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwDWj...eature=related

Never as close as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzXEGacQRU8

The commentary is boring.

Marbot · 18 Jun 2010, 00:55 (Ref:2714076)

Hopefully, Bridgestone are going to set the trend for the new tyre supplier to follow. They are going to try to bring their softest compounds to the rest of this seasons races.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84544

**bjohnsonsmith** · 18 Jun 2010, 00:58 (Ref:2714079)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Hopefully, Bridgestone are going to set the trend for the new tyre supplier to follow. They are going to try to bring their softest compounds to the rest of this seasons races.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84544

I suppose they need to use them up before the end of the season.

AndyS · 18 Jun 2010, 07:55 (Ref:2714177)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Agreed but I hope they would want to make money for the sport, rather than from the sport, so it can be reinvested and make F1 sustainable and affordable, for existing teams, new teams and race tracks.

Couldn't agree more, but sadly it's the way of the world these days. There's too many people looking to make a quick buck in all walks of life I'm afraid. More's the pity. It's a question of trying to get a balance and finding someone who is'nt going to bleed the sport dry as Bernie and co seem intent on doing.

ECW Dan Selby · 18 Jun 2010, 10:46 (Ref:2714240)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Hopefully, Bridgestone are going to set the trend for the new tyre supplier to follow. They are going to try to bring their softest compounds to the rest of this seasons races.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84544

This surprises me. Coming from a company that cares so greatly about their public image.

Selby

Marbot · 18 Jun 2010, 11:09 (Ref:2714246)

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Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

This surprises me. Coming from a company that cares so greatly about their public image.

Selby

The one thing that you don't want are tyres that blister or fall apart structurally. Making them marginal on wear wouldn't really harm their image IMO.

S.Moss · 18 Jun 2010, 11:24 (Ref:2714255)

My personal preferences.

Rear wing is wider as they previously were and only 2 planes.
Front wing slightly narrower with only 2 planes. No extra wing planes outside the endplates of the wings.
Diffuser simplified to only 4 tunnels. Similar to a sportscar so less dirty air.
Wider rear tyres.
Inboard mirrors with electric adjustment via cockpit.
No aerodynamic devices protrduing body shape.
No cut-outs in bodywork such as around the airbox for internal aero devices.
Hard and soft tyres to each race but with 2/3 compounds apart.

Marbot · 18 Jun 2010, 11:53 (Ref:2714265)

On the 2010 cars the rear wing is narrower so that it doesn't affect the wider front wing. The rear wing is mostly acting on the inert centre part of the front wing. So it's not good to have both wings at the same width as each other.

ECW Dan Selby · 18 Jun 2010, 12:52 (Ref:2714289)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

The one thing that you don't want are tyres that blister or fall apart structurally. Making them marginal on wear wouldn't really harm their image IMO.

But it surely increases chances of blowouts?

Selby

duke_toaster · 18 Jun 2010, 16:17 (Ref:2714382)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

costs obviously, but out of curiosity, are there other reasons?

I started writing a long post, but I've put it in to a new thread to stop a threadjacking.

Brief sample - Full post here

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Originally Posted by Me there

I think it's mainly politics rather than anything else. The FIA are already using the F2 name, but I think this will expire after 2011. GP2 effectively replaced F3000, but now the FIA have no control over GP2. This was a boneheaded move, but a consequence of a previous one. There was no need to get rid of the F2 name for that matter, just introduce Bernie's 747ful of DFVs that he bought of Rameses as a new engine formula. Costs wouldn't be so much of an issue ... a chassis/engine lease price cap ... Pillaging the spare parts bin of other series ... homologation period of three or four years

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Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

But it surely increases chances of blowouts?

Selby

That's what I'd be worried about rather than a bit of blistering - blowouts are the most potentially dangerous out of all those hazards.

racer69 · 18 Jun 2010, 16:22 (Ref:2714384)

2005 tyre rules (ie... no pitstops unless you have a puncture)

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