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Old 21 Oct 2018, 03:47 (Ref:3858064)   #601
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Actually your opinion was accepted by most here until YOU began to dismiss everyone else and argue you were informed and a team insider.
Not on that particular matter. The matters you're referring to with that were some insider info that didn't sit well with me and most of the less pleasant comments I made were not dismissing other people's arguments as much as venting at how annoying the things were.

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Then when you were called on your bs you began attacking everyone else and rudely dismissing their questions of you regarding how you could be so assured of your claims.
I behaved directly in proportion to the way others behaved.

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After that the dismissive response became the norm
Only to people who insisted on continuing to take issue with any opinion I put forth.

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makes statements that are blatantly incorrect reading of the previous poster
While I have misunderstood some posts on occasion, this is something nobody is innocent of, yourself included.

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and frankly were often personal attacks.
I have never made a personal attack that was not in response to one directed at me.

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No one started out with anything even close to rudeness until it warms brought forth by you.
And...? The comment I made was a joke about how I got treated when I made a similar point. Why you decided to take offense to such, I don't know, but I try to leave the past alone and not elt it bother me. Hence why I cracked a joke about it to begin with.

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There are many people I don't agree with and we have discussions and actually trade questions
And I am one of those users you've had peaceful discussions with quite often.

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There's never the outright I'm right, you're wrong exchanges as became the norm with a few users, yourself included.
If you think that's the norm for me, then you haven't been paying attention to the majority of my posts. The overwhelming majority of my posts on here are perfectly civil and polite, including the majority of the debates I have. You are, whether by choice or simply losing track due to the massive number of users here, incorrect about me on this matter. We all get heated now and then, but that does not make .

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But I will return to the ignore function as obviously discussion is just not worth the effort, this is supposed to be fun and entertainment not painful.
Well, it's not my fault you decided to take offense to joke/snarky comment about something that's happened in the past, but you do what you feel is needed. I'll keep having the nice polite discussions that the majority of my posts contain.

That said, I've PMed you a little something to consider should you not have already blocked me - there really isn't any point dragging this around publicly any further.

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Old 21 Oct 2018, 04:44 (Ref:3858072)   #602
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For once, let it go. Please. It's so tiresome.
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Old 21 Oct 2018, 09:36 (Ref:3858116)   #603
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That's how I understand things - Dragonspeed's a BIG maybe, but sofar as I know everything else is correct. I'm thinking we'll see a one-car ESM Ligier if we don't hear good news about DPi funding by the end of November, but I don't dare predict anything with where they'll end up. If they can't put together funds for a DPi program, LMP2 is the logical place, though - they have the cars and can turn them back to LMP2 Ligiers easily enough, and there will be no worries about the manufacturer fee.
ESM lost tequila patron sponsorship, it's just about a lack of budget issue.
Highcroft racing lost same sponsor at the end of 2010 and their sportscars programs basically ended (they ran 2011 sebring and 2012 LM with delta wing just because backed by michelin and nissan).
Beyond that, don't think ESM is interested to run a pro-am program in lmp2 anyway.

Such a suicide move the P class split, considering that an oreca lmp2 was 3 points away from being champion.
If HPD will open for customers, DPi class will turn in some kind of closed wheel indy
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Old 21 Oct 2018, 11:36 (Ref:3858127)   #604
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ESM lost tequila patron sponsorship, it's just about a lack of budget issue.
Highcroft racing lost same sponsor at the end of 2010 and their sportscars programs basically ended (they ran 2011 sebring and 2012 LM with delta wing just because backed by michelin and nissan).
ESM has something that Highcroft did not: Ed Brown. He may not actually race for the team anymore, but he's still part of it, and he is businessman. And businessmen have contacts. Between that and numerous other factors(specifically, a more stable sportscar racing scene than Highcroft raced in) have a higher chance of finding a sufficient sponsor than Highcroft did.

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Beyond that, don't think ESM is interested to run a pro-am program in lmp2 anyway.
I think they're interested in running whatever they can manage. Don't forget they've run at least one car pro-am for most of their existence(Ed Brown definitely qualifies as an Am driver), and with the sponsor troubles they may need a driver that brings money to keep going at all.

If they can't get a sponsor, their options(short of shutting down) are:
1) Convert their Nissan DPis to Ligier LMP2s
2) Run a GT3 car from a currently active GTD participant
3) Run a GT3 car from a not currently active GTD participant

The only thing I think can be said for sure is that Option 3 is not happening. If they can't get money to keep the DPi program going, they're not getting enough to bring a new manufacturer to GTD - the manufacturer fee is the same either way.

Option 1 is likely to be the cheapest. While an Audi R8 GT3(just for an example) would run them close to $460,000 and LMP2s are cost capped at just shy of $576,000, the team already has the tub, suspension, and floor of a Ligier JSP217 - they've only got to purchase new engines and bodywork, so figure on it only costing them 1/2-2/3 of the full price. But that depends on whether or not they actually OWN the cars or if Ligier just gave them to the team as part of the program(Ligier was involved with the aero development, after all).

I feel fairly confident we'll see ESM on the grid next year. Whether in LMP2 or GTD, or with one car or two I dare not predict.
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Old 21 Oct 2018, 13:45 (Ref:3858137)   #605
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Honestly don't know, I'm not so trustful to see them again.
Anyway, I have a little doubt. Is lexus gt3 powered by a 5L or a 5.4L ?
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Old 21 Oct 2018, 19:25 (Ref:3858206)   #606
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For once, let it go. Please. It's so tiresome.
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Old 21 Oct 2018, 21:18 (Ref:3858259)   #607
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Honestly don't know, I'm not so trustful to see them again.

Oh, I don't blindly trust that it will happen either, but I find it more likely we'll see them in some form or another than we are to see them go away.


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Is lexus gt3 powered by a 5L or a 5.4L ?

According to every resource I can find, 5.4.
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Old 21 Oct 2018, 22:39 (Ref:3858284)   #608
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ESM ...

If they can't get a sponsor, their options(short of shutting down) are:
1) Convert their Nissan DPis to Ligier LMP2s
2) Run a GT3 car from a currently active GTD participant
3) Run a GT3 car from a not currently active GTD participant
Are you sure they actually OWN the cars? As far as I heard, the whole Nissan programme is 'owned' by Onroak, not ESM. ESM (or Ed Brown or Tequila Patron) funds it, but they don't own anything. Onroak could take the Nissan programme to another team if they wished to.
At least .. that's how I remember hearing it.
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Old 22 Oct 2018, 02:41 (Ref:3858311)   #609
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Are you sure they actually OWN the cars?.
No I am not. Thus why I stated...

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But that depends on whether or not they actually OWN the cars or if Ligier just gave them to the team as part of the program(Ligier was involved with the aero development, after all).
...In the very same post you quoted from. I have heard conflicting information on this, so I opted not to make a declaratory statement on it.
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Old 22 Oct 2018, 11:53 (Ref:3858401)   #610
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Are you sure they actually OWN the cars? As far as I heard, the whole Nissan programme is 'owned' by Onroak, not ESM. ESM (or Ed Brown or Tequila Patron) funds it, but they don't own anything. Onroak could take the Nissan programme to another team if they wished to.
At least .. that's how I remember hearing it.
Yeah, that's true.
Onroak is the true owner, infact car is officially named: Nissan Onroak DPi, and as far I knew, onroak had nismo exclusive for 2017 and 2018 season.

There are just few teams in the world using ligier, I guess the only likely ligier team that could afford a nismo dpi project is united autosport. Zack Brown revealed they were looking for a dpi progam some time ago.
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Oh, I don't blindly trust that it will happen either, but I find it more likely we'll see them in some form or another than we are to see them go away.





According to every resource I can find, 5.4.
yeah but some other sources report 5L.
Actually one of the worst and unreliable source (GT sport car list) is the one that reveals a lot of specs details
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ESM has something that Highcroft did not: Ed Brown. He may not actually race for the team anymore, but he's still part of it, and he is businessman. And businessmen have contacts. Between that and numerous other factors(specifically, a more stable sportscar racing scene than Highcroft raced in) have a higher chance of finding a sufficient sponsor than Highcroft did.



I think they're interested in running whatever they can manage. Don't forget they've run at least one car pro-am for most of their existence(Ed Brown definitely qualifies as an Am driver), and with the sponsor troubles they may need a driver that brings money to keep going at all.

If they can't get a sponsor, their options(short of shutting down) are:
1) Convert their Nissan DPis to Ligier LMP2s
2) Run a GT3 car from a currently active GTD participant
3) Run a GT3 car from a not currently active GTD participant

The only thing I think can be said for sure is that Option 3 is not happening. If they can't get money to keep the DPi program going, they're not getting enough to bring a new manufacturer to GTD - the manufacturer fee is the same either way.

Option 1 is likely to be the cheapest. While an Audi R8 GT3(just for an example) would run them close to $460,000 and LMP2s are cost capped at just shy of $576,000, the team already has the tub, suspension, and floor of a Ligier JSP217 - they've only got to purchase new engines and bodywork, so figure on it only costing them 1/2-2/3 of the full price. But that depends on whether or not they actually OWN the cars or if Ligier just gave them to the team as part of the program(Ligier was involved with the aero development, after all).

I feel fairly confident we'll see ESM on the grid next year. Whether in LMP2 or GTD, or with one car or two I dare not predict.
Would love to see ESM in GTD. Still have always seen them as a GT team first who just happened to decide to play in prototypes for a while.

Their decision to change from GTLM to LMP2 before ALMS 2013 was a very late decision. I think just 2 months before Sebring that year.
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Am I reading this right? According to the DIS camping page for the Rolex, EVERY camping option (with the exception of west park tent camping) has been sold out.

With 3 1/2 months to go before the race, Daytona may have to consider opening up more RV/camping lots...if there are even any left to open!

Nontheless, this is great to see!

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Dpi is going to be way too populated by Cadillac. Acura and Mazda need to start selling their cars. The entries aren't the problem. It's the fact that they're going to outnumber the combined competition and that will help the car out significantly especially with data on the new tires.
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