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Old 21 Nov 2006, 14:15 (Ref:1771493)   #1
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North West Club Saloon Challenge and North West Club Sports Car Challenge

I have had an idea to get two new series underway to allow drivers – should they chose - to race primarily at Oulton Park and Anglesey.

Club Formula Ford has consistently proved to be a popular and well supported concept with fifty plus Formula Fords at most meetings, so why not extend the same opportunity to Sports Car and Saloon Car drivers?

NORTH WEST CLUB SALOON CHALLENGE
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NORTH WEST CLUB SPORTS CAR CHALLENGE

CRITERIA

A Saloon Car is a saloon car and a Sports Car is a sports car whatever it’s age. Here endeth the technical regulations

WHAT KIND OF CARS DO I ENVISAGE?

This list is no way exhaustive, so take your pick from :
Saloons
Mini 7, Miglia, Cooper Challenge, Special Saloon, any of the Mighty variants.
Alfas, XRs, Fiestas, Fiats, Clios, Tomcats, CRX, Jaguars,
Anything that is a Classic or Historic Saloon
Anything else you can think of

Sports Cars
TVR, MX5, Ginetta, MG, Austin Healeys, Caterhams, Clubmans,
Anything that is a Classic or Historic Sports Car
Anything else you can think of.

With sufficient support, the races could be split to cater for “speed types” e.g. faster or slower. I've done this before and it worked well.

WHO WOULD / SHOULD BE INTERESTED IN SUCH A VENTURE?

1 The drivers who might have a car that no longer fits into the current championship classes.
2 The drivers who might not want to trek the length and breadth of the country to do their racing.
3 The race organising clubs.
4 Drivers who want the opportunity to race against different types of cars.

Eligibility would not be confined solely to North West drivers. Anybody would be welcome to enjoy the hospitality of racing in the North West.

HELP ME TO GAUGE POTENTIAL SUPPORT

Anybody who would be interested in this should Email me at ff1600.nw@ntlworld.com with the type of car they would be interested in racing.
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 15:11 (Ref:1771526)   #2
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Other than a greater restriction on the number of circuits used, how would this be different to the existing BARC (NW) Sports and Saloons?
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 15:32 (Ref:1771542)   #3
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Other than a greater restriction on the number of circuits used, how would this be different to the existing BARC (NW) Sports and Saloons?
How did I just know that it would be you hitting me with a question?

Well firstly, there would be one race solely for Saloon Cars and another solely for Sports Cars, not necessarily on the same programme.
Secondly, the races would be far more "just for the craic" than any formal championship race would be.
Club racing like it used to be. Now there is a novel concept in this day and age.
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 17:23 (Ref:1771622)   #4
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But the same old car will win just as it did in the NW Sports & Saloons, when I hae watched it it was always that Daf thing that blitzed everyone, why would anyone else want to enter just to be cannon fodder, no I don't like these championships or series without regs I just don't think they work and not for me.
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 17:44 (Ref:1771635)   #5
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But the same old car will win just as it did in the NW Sports & Saloons, when I hae watched it it was always that Daf thing that blitzed everyone, why would anyone else want to enter just to be cannon fodder, no I don't like these championships or series without regs I just don't think they work and not for me.
If by 'that DAF thing' you mean Tony Sugden's Skoda, that hasn't raced for three years. If I remember correctly, there have been at least three outright race winners this year - Robert Pritchard, Rick Wood & Michael Blomfield. Because the championship is class based, there have been four champions in the last four years - Tony Sugden, Duncan Aukland, Ian Hall & Robert Pritchard. Cannon fodder?
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 18:31 (Ref:1771676)   #6
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Dont worry about Al, he just dont like anything
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 19:12 (Ref:1771704)   #7
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No I don't like getting lapped after 4 or 5 laps :-) You are missing my point but I know some will agree like Rob (Racing59) as he has advocated this sort of thing here in the past. But for me I like to race where there is less disparity is that such a bad thing? I really enjoy the pre-74 and Group 1's for that very reason and although ModProds and DTRC were fun for the odd excersion I like to start a race with a mathmatical chance of winning even if in reality I never will, I can't see that makes me so negative with respect.
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 20:40 (Ref:1771804)   #8
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regional series are good in many ways.lots of us are finding it harder to budget for travelling costs these days.in answer to you al i got p++ded off at times when a camaro just like yours used to run and hide in all the pre74 races a few years ago.only problems i can see are speed differentials if all the cars are in one race and yet another bunch of different regs.then it will dilute the number of cars running in all the different series even more. needs a bit of carefull planning methinks!
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 20:55 (Ref:1771818)   #9
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Dont worry about Al, he just dont like anything
I've altready gathered that Andy
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With sufficient support, the races could be split to cater for “speed types” e.g. faster or slower. I've done this before and it worked well.
and yes Al, I know Oulton and Anglesey are miles and miles and miles north of the great Watford divide - just to save you another post
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when a camaro just like yours used to run and hide in all the pre74 races
I bet it was'nt just like mine :-)

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and yes Al, I know Oulton and Anglesey are miles and miles and miles north of the great Watford divide
I have raced Oulton many times so it has nothing to do with it whatsover, I do travel as it happens I just don't reckon 'Catch All' champonships/series as they are just too diverse, the more you spend the further up the ladder you go, end of story.

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sounds like the castle combe car championsip.

Also how do you class an MX5 as a "sports car"
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Also how do you class an MX5 as a "sports car"
I suppose because it is one.
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Old 22 Nov 2006, 06:52 (Ref:1772032)   #13
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Diz,

This is a similar principle to a number of established championships/series. DTRC, Top Hat, Top Hat Cloth Cap, Top Hat 70's Saloons, CTCRC etc. Of those the DTRC and the CTCRC are Championships, but all have basic regulations, some more stringent than others.

Personally a non championship event is more convenient because I don't need to concentrate on a points chase so the basic premise is good for me. However I think you would run into a lack of enthusiasm if you allowed fully lightened and modified machinery (akin to Super/special Saloons) on slicks to run with steel bodied cars on treaded tyres. Unless you suggest everyone runs on slicks then you'll get complaints because of the time and cost of setting the (normally treaded) cars up. It could be a nightmare so a little more thought and you might have something.

I've not been to Anglesea but I do like Oulton Park.

However if you are keen on attracting races to Oulton and Anglesea why not contact Top Hat and the CTCRC? Both run excellent packages for diverse cars. BTW, I'm not excluding the DTRC here Rod, its a just geography thing.
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Sort of what I was trying to say Peter. At least DTRC does have a set of regs but basically any car that is out of those, Specials, Spaceframes or 4wD etc. goes into class A a sort of championship within a championship and it obviously works. Maybe something more on those lines may be worth a look at Diz.
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Old 22 Nov 2006, 07:40 (Ref:1772050)   #15
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If I remember correctly, there have been at least three outright race winners this year - Robert Pritchard, Rick Wood & Michael Blomfield.
Another lap at Anglesey this year and you could have added my name to that list (but actually )

Winning's not all it's cracked up to be anyway - many of my wins this season in Caterhams were pretty dull - stuff like 8 Clubs where you're scrapping away with half-a-dozen cars for 14th is generally much more fun.
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