Toys out of Pram. Overtaking Roger Wills cost me 90 Euros for the MRL race at Le Mans

[john ruston]

The comment a bit odd when you are an economic immigrant in Germany.

Obviously the roads much more busy here in U K than on mainland Europe so the driving standards manic.

Sure you have a point hidden in there somewhere?

[John Turner]

Agreed, John; you just beat me to it.

[terence]

Originally Posted by john ruston

The comment a bit odd when you are an economic immigrant in Germany.

Obviously the roads much more busy here in U K than on mainland Europe so the driving standards manic.

Sure you have a point hidden in there somewhere?

Why "odd" when I pay my taxes/dont claim benefits/integrate into every day life?

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Having had to return [unfortunately, but thankfully only a flying visit!] to the Immigrant Money Pit.

You mustn't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail.

Driving standards - clearly they are worse on the continent otherwise they wouldn't have 90 Euro on-the-spot fines! (He says, trying desperately to drag the thread back on track!). We may have our faults, but summary justice isn't one of them.

[MartinSmith]

Originally Posted by midgetman

You mustn't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail.

Driving standards - clearly they are worse on the continent otherwise they wouldn't have 90 Euro on-the-spot fines! (He says, trying desperately to drag the thread back on track!). We may have our faults, but summary justice isn't one of them.

I actually think they drive better on the continent, I think the brit public tend to be lazy, stay in the overtaking lane because "its just too much hassle to move over... Besides, I was doing 70!" I will never forget being at a wedding and someone telling us how they "always stayed in the middle lane as it was safer if they had a blowout" and thinking "now there's a perspective !!!"

It is easier to be more lane aware abroad though because the volume on the road is far less than it appears here.

This was a thread purely to highlight my own downfall, though I thought 90 euros was a bargain, in this country I'd be sent on a course run by some 17 year old who would patronise me and make me resentful while loading me with three points so that an insurance company can justify legal extortion and say what a bad risk I am.

Yours
Bitter and Twisted table for one

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by ClaireSmith

This was a thread purely to highlight my own downfall, though I thought 90 euros was a bargain, in this country I'd be sent on a course run by some 17 year old who would patronise me and make me resentful while loading me with three points so that an insurance company can justify legal extortion and say what a bad risk I am.

Yours
Bitter and Twisted table for one

You mustn't believe everything you read on Piston Heads.

I think the standard of driving in the UK isn't too bad, it just falls over the edge of a cliff when you get inside the M25.

[Alan Raine]

I always thought the M25 was dangerous until I tried the Paris Peripherique. Even worse when towing a caravan...utter madness

[johngee]

Originally Posted by ClaireSmith

This was a thread purely to highlight my own downfall, though I thought 90 euros was a bargain,

I thought that you thought it was a bargain to be 'escorted' to the nearest ATM by a (admittedly) handsome and charming black leather clad gendarme. It made your day - be honest!

[MartinSmith]

Originally Posted by johngee

I thought that you thought it was a bargain to be 'escorted' to the nearest ATM by a (admittedly) handsome and charming black leather clad gendarme. It made your day - be honest!

You may think that... I could not possibly comment

[JasperClan]

Originally Posted by ClaireSmith

I will never forget being at a wedding and someone telling us how they "always stayed in the middle lane as it was safer if they had a blowout" and thinking "now there's a perspective !!!"

That'll be the Pirelli lane then.

Pete Richards

[terence]

Originally Posted by midgetman

You mustn't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail.

Driving standards - clearly they are worse on the continent otherwise they wouldn't have 90 Euro on-the-spot fines! (He says, trying desperately to drag the thread back on track!). We may have our faults, but summary justice isn't one of them.

Obviously only written for those who have ever read the Mail.
Besides which, there are some who perhaps who perhaps have a birth-right to live in a chosen country

Anyway,must dash----------------------------

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Besides which, there are some who perhaps who perhaps have a birth-right to live in a chosen country

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Germans in Germany? "Damned Englanders coming over here and stealing our jobs"

No I don't read the Daily Mail......I get all my cutting edge news and comment from the Internet which is renowned for its impartiality.

[SAMD]

and accuracy

[TWRv12]

Btw, its only going to get worse
http://boiteauto.nicematin.com/2013/...s-en-juin.html

[henk4]

Originally Posted by TWRv12

Btw, its only going to get worse
http://boiteauto.nicematin.com/2013/...s-en-juin.html

it is getting better, not worse. more opportunities to catch those speeding islanders.
We' ll be going to Goodwood next week and we will once more first hand experience the quality of british driving standards on the M25. Nothing to look forward to or to write home about .

[garcon]

So, in terms of driving standards does the outside lane of the M25 count as "inside the M25" ?

I think driving standards in London particularly have changed over the past couple of decades, and ... (I'm sorry...!) ... it actually does have something to do with immigrants. All those foreigners who learned to drive in other countries just don't know how to cut someone up properly.

Angela Merkel is going through passport control at Paris Airport...

Name?
Angela Merkel.
Nationality?
German.
Occupation?
No, just visiting for a conference.

I'm here all week, try the veal.

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by TWRv12

Btw, its only going to get worse
http://boiteauto.nicematin.com/2013/...s-en-juin.html

ISTR that the most dangerous time to be on French roads was when everyone left Paris and hit the route de Sud for the holidays. Back in my schooldays there was a name for it but I'm blowed if I can remember.

(Yes, yes, back in my schooldays the biggest danger was from being poisoned by horse manure )

[henk4]

Originally Posted by midgetman

ISTR that the most dangerous time to be on French roads was when everyone left Paris and hit the route de Sud for the holidays. Back in my schooldays there was a name for it but I'm blowed if I can remember.

(Yes, yes, back in my schooldays the biggest danger was from being poisoned by horse manure )

the name is Black Saturday, and not because so many people get killed, but because so many people don't move an inch because of the traffic jam.

[SidewaysFeltham]

Originally Posted by Alan Raine

I always thought the M25 was dangerous until I tried the Paris Peripherique. Even worse when towing a caravan...utter madness

Try the two laner from Mexico City to the Aeropuerto: or back at rush hour......

They happily smash into each other, swearing and cursing and insult each other's mother and parentage.

But stop?

Nope!

[SidewaysFeltham]

Originally Posted by midgetman

ISTR that the most dangerous time to be on French roads was when everyone left Paris and hit the route de Sud for the holidays. Back in my schooldays there was a name for it but I'm blowed if I can remember.

(Yes, yes, back in my schooldays the biggest danger was from being poisoned by horse manure )

Which is precisely why the new Civil Codes for Moving Traffic Offenses were brought in: the annual carnage as appalling.

A garage customer of mine in the early 1970s, charming French engineer, living in UK for a year, left their apartment Versailles with his wife and two boys and drove through the night towards their mini-chateau in the South.

In his nice Citrôen DS (23?? I think?), in the early hours he managed to hit a huge cow at around 140 KPH: which decided to join them through the windscreen.

I was pretty miffed: as we had only recently before finally sorted out the damned hydraulics and the car was written off....


mad.

[Lancsbreaker]

Originally Posted by ClaireSmith

This was a thread purely to highlight my own downfall, though I thought 90 euros was a bargain, in this country I'd be sent on a course run by some 17 year old who would patronise me and make me resentful while loading me with three points so that an insurance company can justify legal extortion and say what a bad risk I am.

Yours
Bitter and Twisted table for one

Point of Order, Chairwoman....

If you get sent on a course (or , technically, opt for one) you don't get loaded with points.....nor in my case do you get patronised (although I expected it......you were right about it being run by a bit of a kid....mine mustn't have been a day over 45, the young brat He did very specifically tell us that attending the course was not a conviction for an offence and did not need to be advised to insurers, though, so I'll let him off for his relative youth

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by SidewaysFeltham

Which is precisely why the new Civil Codes for Moving Traffic Offenses were brought in: the annual carnage as appalling.

A garage customer of mine in the early 1970s, charming French engineer, living in UK for a year, left their apartment Versailles with his wife and two boys and drove through the night towards their mini-chateau in the South.

In his nice Citrôen DS (23?? I think?), in the early hours he managed to hit a huge cow at around 140 KPH: which decided to join them through the windscreen.

I was pretty miffed: as we had only recently before finally sorted out the damned hydraulics and the car was written off....


mad.

Of course the UK has had the Highway Code for some time. What many folks forget is that the laws in the UK are generally based upon our duty of care that is owed to all around us. Yes, sometimes the police will make a mistake but they also have the possibility to use their discretion in order to make the punishment fit the crime. This option is not available under a codified set of laws.

[Dave Brand]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Of course the UK has had the Highway Code for some time.

I think France may have had le Code de la Route even longer - probably since Napoleonic times!

[Peter Mallett]

Agreed and they have the Napoleonic Code. Ours is based upon common law rules not codified actions.

[SAMD]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Agreed and they have the Napoleonic Code. Ours is based upon common law rules not codified actions.

Are you sure you dont mean clod or.. Plodified actions Peter lol