Driver sharing & the engine rule

[bigjon]

If Klien and Luizzi end up doing alternate races, how will the 'engine must last for 2 complete gp w/ends or face a 10 place grid demotion' rule play itself out.

or is that yet another loophole in yet another stupid rule!?

Either way, if they do share, they'll no doubt be interesting consequences for whoever does/doent run in melbourne!

[Marbot]

The rules apply to the car not the driver,therefore whoever drives the car at the first race (lets say Melbourne)will hand the same engine over to the driver of the second race(Malaysia).

[nkh]

So if, let's say, Schumachers engine goes up in smoke, he could switch cars with Barrichello for the next race and let Rubens take penalty?

[Kicking-back]

No.

Because Michael Schumacher is entered in Ferrari number 1 and Rubens in Ferrari number 2.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by nkh

So if, let's say, Schumachers engine goes up in smoke, he could switch cars with Barrichello for the next race and let Rubens take penalty?

DC would have to use his engine in the second race as would RB,sorry,rule applies to engines not cars.

[nkh]

Ah, but it could be done for any team that doesn't have the world champion? If Red Bull plans to let all 3 drivers rotate they could end up in a situation where they can choose which driver should get the penalty...
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Edit, Ah, okay, that makes much more sense

[Kicking-back]

There is a limit on making driver changes during the season.

Incidentally - if you retire during the race, there is no penalty carried over to the next weekend.

So this debate is something of a non-issue.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Incidentally - if you retire during the race, there is no penalty carried over to the next weekend.

As i understand it,if your engine blows up during the race(Melbourne)you start with a fresh engine in Malaysia and no penalty,however if your engine blows before the start of the race(Melbourne)you change engines and take a 10 place penalty on the grid and that engine must then last to the end of the Malaysian GP,If however that engine blows during the race(Melbourne) you still start with a fresh engine at the Malaysian GP,if however that engine blows during the race(Malaysian)you start the next race with a fresh engine and no penalty,if however that engine blows before the start of the race(Malaysian)you change engines take a 10 place grid penalty and that engine must then last to the end of the next race,if however.........................I hope thats cleared things up.

[Kicking-back]

Exactly.

You are penalised if the engine blows at any time during the race weekend, by being moved back 10 places on the grid.

But if the engine blows in the race, your penalty is retirement from the race.

It sounds complex, but is actually quite sensible.

[BootsOntheSide]

So you'll only ever get penalised once for an engien failure - in other words, you don't start the race after a failure from 10 places down the grid? That's much fairer than peopel thoguht, but explaining ot TV viewers which drivers have a race left on the engine could get muddled as the year goes on.

[Kicking-back]

They won't need to explain which drivers have a race left on the engine.

Operationally things will be the same as this year - engine failure at any point during the weekend before the race starts = 10 places down the grid.

Engine failure during the race = retirement.

While the engine carries over to the next weekend, penalties don't.

[Homeroz]

So what if you blow the engine at the moment you cross the checkered flag???

[1200Datto27]

Your damn lucky

[Marbot]

Engine revs suddenly rising to 25,000 as TGF takes flag should be on the cards then(same goes for them all really).

[1200Datto27]

Nah, just "accidentally" engage the Pit Lane Speed limiter on your slowing down lap, lean out the engine, and destroy it that way.

[Red]

The rule says that a driver who failed to finish race is allowed to change the engine without penalty. Blowing the engine in the slow down lap isn't really the winning tactic.

On a side note, I wonder what 'failed to finish' means. DNF but still classified in points counts or not? That could leave room for creatively interpretation of regs...

PS:

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Exactly.

You are penalised if the engine blows at any time during the race weekend, by being moved back 10 places on the grid.

Actually I understand that you get away with 10 places penalty only if you blow the engine in practice sessions or qual 1. If you change engine after Q1 you start the race from back of the grid.

[Glen]

In order to fail, you must first try. If you intentionally stop before the end of a race you have not failed in your intention. Also, there is a rule which states that you have to compete at all times - so you'd be in contravention of that one as well. And bring in the sport into disrepute.

All in all I'd imagine it would be simpler just to build an engine that will last two races, even if care will be needed in the way it is used.

[BootsOntheSide]

It's quite easy to intentionally blow an engine - and they can't not count it as a chance for a new engine just because a driver was running 13th with 10 laps to go. There've been plenty of cases of teams balatanly not competing as well as they can, and not being punished - dare I mention Au***ia? I suspect this is one of those new rules where us fanatics will find more loopholes, and situations in which they could be used, than the teams will - the engine change rules haven't been exploited too badly.

[Glen]

No - those occassions where individuals have seemed not to compete are times when the team has been competing in their own way. So the competition is still there, it is just not to everyone's liking.

I agree that this is a realm for F1 fans and Forum nutters, rather than something from the real world!

[Raglanparade]

What is to stop Minardi running a new engine every race, and then retiring mid-race with engine problems.

They could run more horsepower, and be higher up the grid... higher up the grid, means more tv exposure... imagine a Minardi v Ferrari duel for the first 10 laps, and then the Minardi pulls into the Garage.

The team gets more exposure then it does in a season, (keeps the sponsors happy), and they do this by using up there engine in 10 laps instead of 100

I should keep dreaming.

[Red]

That's pretty pointless and foolish. I think they'd rather prefer to finish the race and sponsors aren't really happy to get 10 laps only exposure. Besides, how many power would they be able to get in order to duel top cars even for only 10 laps?

[Glen]

It would take a bit more than some extra horsepower to make Minardi competitve, even for a few laps. Look at the Sauber example - same engine as Ferrari but opposite ends of the grid a lot of the time.

[1200Datto27]

Why would minardi need to drop an engine, even if they replace it for each race, there only going to drop maybe 2~3 places on the grid, so they are not really losing that much.

[Dog Faced Boy]

I can see alot of engine retirements from cars not in the points towards the end of a GP to start next with new engine at the next one.

[avsfan733]

I still wanna know what the rule is if your engine blows on thecool down lap!

its not during practice or qualifying but you've already finished the race...?