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Old 5 Dec 2017, 00:06 (Ref:3785149)   #1
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DJRTP Seeks Clarification/Education On McLaughlin Speeding Penalty

According to Noon's, DJTP are protesting the pit lane speed penalty as they are adamant they didn't exceed the 40 kph limit.

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Old 5 Dec 2017, 00:16 (Ref:3785150)   #2
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What could possibly be changed by winning that protest? Is it purely about vindication?

Also, has it been confirmed wether Supercars use a radar or GPS timing loop for enforcing the pit lane limit?
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 00:37 (Ref:3785152)   #3
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What could possibly be changed by winning that protest? Is it purely about vindication?
Why to embarrass CAMS of course, and perhaps to make sure proper procedures are followed in future?
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 00:38 (Ref:3785153)   #4
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surely DJRTP want to know how they got it wrong so they can learn from this for next time

happens in ball sports all the time
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 00:39 (Ref:3785154)   #5
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According to Noon's, DJTP are protesting the pit lane speed penalty as they are adamant they didn't exceed the 40 kph limit.

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It is clear and irrefutable proof there was no infringement.
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 00:39 (Ref:3785155)   #6
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The celebration after the Saturday race.


I can't help but feel they thought that they had done all they needed to do.
Since there never was a speeding infringement, the celebration can't have contributed to it!
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 00:40 (Ref:3785156)   #7
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surely DJRTP want to know how they got it wrong so they can learn from this for next time

happens in ball sports all the time
Except they didn't get it wrong, see for yourself. Clearly the officials made an error when measuring the speed.
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Except they didn't get it wrong, see for yourself. Clearly the officials made an error when measuring the speed.
Maybe when Pecky said 'they' he meant CAMS?
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 00:43 (Ref:3785158)   #9
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Except they didn't get it wrong, see for yourself. Clearly the officials made an error when measuring the speed.
we shall see, officials have their evidence, DJRTP have theirs. clearly there is some sort of mix up.

How do we know that the pics above match the data with it. They are from different sources
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 01:24 (Ref:3785160)   #10
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DJR Team Penske accepts that the outcome of the Championship cannot be altered, but the team feels it has a responsibility to seek clarity and to ensure the methods used to enforce pit lane speed limits going forward are as accurate as possible for all competitors.
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If it is a matter if such importance, why aren’t all teams invited to understand how the process works?
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 01:34 (Ref:3785161)   #11
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According to Noon's, DJTP are protesting the pit lane speed penalty as they are adamant they didn't exceed the 40 kph limit.
Not protesting, as the time limit for doing that is long past.

They are apparently seeking clarification though: Review
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 02:01 (Ref:3785164)   #12
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Hopefully nothing comes of this. The 2017 championship would have a huge asterisk next to it, not to mention the integrity of Supercars itself.
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Also, has it been confirmed wether Supercars use a radar or GPS timing loop for enforcing the pit lane limit?
not radar, nor GPS but they use a timing loop at pit entry. Confirmed in article from Bairdo previously linked in this thread.
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not radar, nor GPS but they use a timing loop at pit entry. Confirmed in article from Bairdo previously linked in this thread.
Are timing loops considered a good way of achieving the task?
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Are timing loops considered a good way of achieving the task?
the time taken to travel between two points is a definite science/mathmatical equation

however why was there also a radar guy at the track as well
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To me the data is clear as day. It's mistake from the officials. Nothing can or will ever come of this though.
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To me the data is clear as day. It's mistake from the officials. Nothing can or will ever come of this though.
unless you are part of DJRTP you havenste seen the data, just some pics on the inetrnet, that may very well be wrong
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Are timing loops considered a good way of achieving the task?
2 timing loops 5 metres apart at pit entry is very effective - accurate to 1/10,000th of a second.
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unless you are part of DJRTP you havenste seen the data, just some pics on the inetrnet, that may very well be wrong
Sure, if that isn't the car data from that particular pit entry then it's rubbish, but if it is that data then it's all very clear. If the team has data which shows he was speeding they certainly wouodn't be pursuing anything, however they have the info from the multiple sources available to them which are to the contrary.

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Sure, if that isn't the car data from that particular pit entry then it's rubbish, but if it is that data then it's all very clear. If the team has data which shows he was speeding they certainly wouodn't be pursuing anything, however they have the info from the multiple sources available to them which are to the contrary.
and Supercars have data that is a straight out measurement , not pieced together data
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In NSW, Fixed Speed Cameras also use timing loops. IIRC the one on Spit Hill was found to be faulty (loop wires were too close together).
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In NSW, Fixed Speed Cameras also use timing loops. IIRC the one on Spit Hill was found to be faulty (loop wires were too close together).
which would mean everyone was over the limit if that was the case
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Fairly good explanation from Craig Baird on how pit lane speeds are measured. https://www.speedcafe.com/2017/11/30...lin-penalties/
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just throwing this in from the supp rules

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Sure, if that isn't the car data from that particular pit entry then it's rubbish, but if it is that data then it's all very clear. If the team has data which shows he was speeding they certainly wouodn't be pursuing anything, however they have the info from the multiple sources available to them which are to the contrary.
What Coulthard's data looks like? I wonder why they are not protesting about that one too!?!
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