Team Williams: Do they have a spare tub? - Page 42

Skam85 · 11 Sep 2019, 22:44 (Ref:3927492)

It kind of feels like "We're going to be last regardless, why bother spending more money in 2019 to be slightly less last"

**GTRMagic** · 12 Sep 2019, 00:26 (Ref:3927504)

Are the Williams new parts meant as upgrades, or replacement of parts beyond their useful lives?

The reported loss just recently suggests money may not be abundant at Grove..

Richard C · 12 Sep 2019, 03:05 (Ref:3927515)

The loss mentioned above...

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...wing-poor-2018

Are they hanging on until 2021 with the expectations that the new financial structure will greatly benefit them? Anyone expect them to move up the grid at all in 2020? Sadly, I just dont see that happening.

Richard

**GTRMagic** · 12 Sep 2019, 06:31 (Ref:3927518)

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Originally Posted by Richard Casto

The loss mentioned above...

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...wing-poor-2018

Are they hanging on until 2021 with the expectations that the new financial structure will greatly benefit them? Anyone expect them to move up the grid at all in 2020? Sadly, I just dont see that happening.

Richard

Accounting losses actually dont mean a lot to anyone except people who lend money.. and of course the sharemarkets... cashflow is more important but it doesnt seem to be being shared..

Richard C · 12 Sep 2019, 10:55 (Ref:3927536)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Accounting losses actually dont mean a lot to anyone except people who lend money.. and of course the sharemarkets... cashflow is more important but it doesnt seem to be being shared..

This isn't my area of expertise, and understand your comment about cash flow. But they are bringing in less money compared to this time last year. They are likely feeling the pinch.

Richard

djinvicta · 12 Sep 2019, 19:35 (Ref:3927612)

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Originally Posted by Richard Casto

This isn't my area of expertise, and understand your comment about cash flow. But they are bringing in less money compared to this time last year. They are likely feeling the pinch.

Richard

Yes Richard, but looking at ALL Williams Companies/Holdings etc etc.. they are very solvent. Yes.. in the UK, money gets "moved" to accounts for tax not payable etc. They're fine..
I find it weird that people some quote on here about stuff financially they no nothing about.. or even remark "he can't afford that". How do they know? Perhaps I'm missing something..the UK is unique in its profit/loss system of shifting money around. Ask Jacob Rees Mogg!!

**bjohnsonsmith** · 13 Sep 2019, 19:42 (Ref:3927778)

Williams and Mercedes have agreed to an extension on the engine deal, until 2025. That's got to be good news.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/145961

Nicholosophy · 14 Sep 2019, 01:44 (Ref:3927828)

I'd suggest that they realise they aren't going to do much this year and might as well just focus on next year. Russell is in his rookie year and Kubica is not the old Kubica. Next year they'll have a better car and a different teammate for George.

S griffin · 14 Sep 2019, 08:28 (Ref:3927863)

Glad to see Merc giving them an extension. Just what they need if they are to have any chance of survival.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Latifi replace Kubica for 2020

**GTRMagic** · 14 Sep 2019, 08:31 (Ref:3927865)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Williams and Mercedes have agreed to an extension on the engine deal, until 2025. That's got to be good news.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/145961

...and WilliamsF1 will continue to build their own transmissions Here

wnut · 14 Sep 2019, 11:59 (Ref:3927898)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

...and WilliamsF1 will continue to build their own transmissions Here

Based on the original blueprints drawn by Ettore Bugatti on which the copyright has expired no doubt. Why why why????

Richard C · 14 Sep 2019, 13:47 (Ref:3927911)

I agree it doesn't make sense, but I expect the argument is that the proposal to move to a standard gearbox cassette was ditched earlier this year. So while they struggle to produce aero bits, they feel the need to devote budget on design, testing and construction of gearboxes.

I expect the the standard cassette idea was ditched as some teams feel they have some serious secret sauce stuff going on that differentiates them from their peers. Or are doing something different in the gearbox (that wouldn't be replicated in a standard unit) that works in conjunction with the engine in a unique way.

Do I think Williams is in this category? I doubt it. So like others, it continues to look dumb to me. Clearly Williams are great at making technical decisions! The proof is in the pudding!

Richard

midgetman · 14 Sep 2019, 20:35 (Ref:3927975)

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Originally Posted by Richard Casto

The proof is in the pudding!

Richard

No it's not. It's in the eating.

The phrase is "the proof of the pudding is in the eating," meaning that no matter how good something looks it's the taste that decides whether it's good or not.

Sorry. Hobby horse of mine. Back to Williams's plans

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djinvicta · 14 Sep 2019, 20:42 (Ref:3927977)

As I said earlier.. dig deep into the accounts. Williams are great as a Group financially.... Paddy did not help.. nor Mr Smedley...Both overgrown their tenure in F!..

Richard C · 14 Sep 2019, 22:53 (Ref:3927995)

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Originally Posted by midgetman

No it's not. It's in the eating.

Well, that is what I get for trying to use what I believe is a predominately UK idiom.

I will try again, but this time using something a bit more natural for me...

Williams is still doing their own gearbox? Well bless their heart!

Richard

wnut · 15 Sep 2019, 00:01 (Ref:3928008)

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Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Well, that is what I get for trying to use what I believe is a predominately UK idiom.

I will try again, but this time using something a bit more natural for me...

Williams is still doing their own gearbox? Well bless their heart!

Richard

Or perhaps another:

"None so blind as those who will not see!"

wnut · 15 Sep 2019, 00:04 (Ref:3928009)

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Originally Posted by djinvicta

As I said earlier.. dig deep into the accounts. Williams are great as a Group financially.... Paddy did not help.. nor Mr Smedley...Both overgrown their tenure in F!..

I am sure that neither Paddy or Rob helped Williams' financial position, both were trying to build better racing cars whilst the rest of the management group was apparently trying to spend as little as possible on F1.

S griffin · 16 Sep 2019, 19:09 (Ref:3928390)

They were hired for their skills, but now they have to find others to help them. But the financial situation of the team isn’t all Williams’ fault

**bjohnsonsmith** · 20 Sep 2019, 00:00 (Ref:3928994)

Kubica will quit Williams at the end of the season, so who will get the seat in 2020?

https://racer.com/2019/09/19/kubica-...eave-williams/

djr81 · 20 Sep 2019, 02:43 (Ref:3929011)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Kubica will quit Williams at the end of the season, so who will get the seat in 2020?

https://racer.com/2019/09/19/kubica-...eave-williams/

You would hope Hulkenberg, but probably will be a pay driver you've not yet heard of.

peebee2 · 20 Sep 2019, 07:20 (Ref:3929025)

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Originally Posted by djr81

You would hope Hulkenberg, but probably will be a pay driver you've not yet heard of.

I think we’ve known all year that 2020 would be Latifi - the Canadian richer than Stroll and with about the same level of talent.

S griffin · 20 Sep 2019, 07:56 (Ref:3929028)

Shame for Kubica that it has to end this way, but he just doesn't seem to have the physical capability anymore. At least he got a point though. I can see Latifi getting his big chance now

**GTRMagic** · 20 Sep 2019, 08:47 (Ref:3929040)

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Originally Posted by Richard Casto

This isn't my area of expertise, and understand your comment about cash flow. But they are bringing in less money compared to this time last year. They are likely feeling the pinch.

Richard

Financial Report

Interesting to crank up the borrowings to keep the dream alive..

billy bleach · 23 Sep 2019, 15:07 (Ref:3929667)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Shame for Kubica that it has to end this way, but he just doesn't seem to have the physical capability anymore. At least he got a point though. I can see Latifi getting his big chance now

I read an article somewhere that if Kubica returned to F1 he would have to forgo a massive insurance payout. Clearly the desire burnt inside him, what a shame he got a Lowe Sh*tbox

midgetman · 23 Sep 2019, 16:04 (Ref:3929684)

Be honest, if the car hadn't been a shitbox he'd have been a long way down the queue of drivers.

They needed each other.

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